Important! Adult shops, clubs and services in SL

Linden Answers thread: Help us deal with minors!
Winter Ventura
Today, 05:07 PM

Can you explain why several posts (all concerning the issue of your new TOS as it affects your assurance that minors would not have access to the adult grid), written by myself, and at least one other resident.. were simply deleted without comment?

Linden Labs, in establishing your new terms of services, you have placed all adult content providers on your service, in the untennible position of being liable for criminal prosecution, simply because you can not, or will not, give us the tools with which to screen customers/visitors for age. You furthermore have refused to do this screening yourself. Put succinctly, the phrasing in your Terms of Service now makes it "acceptable" for children.. minors... to wander into SL, and get a job in a sex club. as a prostitute.

Meanwhile.. it will be the people who hire these minors, even unknowingly, or who sell mature content to them.. who will now be named in lawsuits... and I have no beleif that you will protect the anonymity of residents when your records are subpeonaed. (can't spell it).

You have not provided us with adequate tools to protect minors from adult content.. beleive me, if you had, we'd be using it. Since you now refuse to "take responsibility" and control the gates of this world.. protecting the adults from this situation... and you refuse to provide the adults with the tools needed to screen minors themselves..

You just delete the posts, and try to keep the Public Relations image?

There are people in your world selling adult things.. very adult things. While I agree that Parents should monitor their child's behaviour.. we all know it's not happening. Since we can't have impassable doors, or impassable walls.. and we can't soundproof or cam-proof our playspaces and shops.. and you won't give us the assurance that all SL players are adults...

How is this major portion of your ecomony supposed to protect itself?
What tools will you give us?
When will you stop ignoring us, and actually respond to our concerns and needs?

I know I'm not the first person to ask these questions. And you're probably tired of hearing about it. Consider responding to them and helping us.. and I could be the last.

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the phrasing in your Terms of Service now makes it "acceptable" for children.. minors...

bilbo... regarding HIV, STD's etc... that's all part of sexual promiscuity and people deviating from God's plan of one man/one woman together for life.

Another thing that fascinates me is just how many times one stumbles over bondage devices of one sort or another. One is drawn to conclude that BDSM is popular with a rather larger section of the population than one might have supposed.

Actually According to Roberts Rules of Order, Ishtara is responsible for Making the Motion, I Seconded, Now we are at the Point where we ask All those in Favor to Signify by a Call of Aye, (Or raising of the Hands in case of a silent Ballot, But because we can't actually SEE you raising your hand, I think we shouls stick with Aye). We then Give those opposed a Chance to Cast a Nay Vote, and after that, Declare the Motion Passed or failed.

Don't ask me how i Remember all this stuff.

Angel.

I still don't get what's so mature about low-res hanky panky. Much of the clothing available in-world and the fantasy dolls people create for avatars does not say 'mature' to me, either. Increasingly, by the behavior of "residents" (look-at-me behavior, griefing, etc) it does not seem like an adult game, and maybe it's because the kinds of things that are so prevalent (ugly malls, slut clothes, sign griefing, casinos) are the kinds of things that actual adults don't have patience for. Perhaps SL could become more solvent if it made itself more attractive to actual adults. That might require effective zoning.

Or, maybe a bare-assed, fuglified avatar with a spinning plywood box on the head is the SL nitch. If so, of course it has to be free, because who's willing to pay for that?

Sorry but as an adult, I find zoning of any kind extremely childish. It is wrong in RL and it is wrong in SL. When you get right down to it, zoning is saying "I cannot stand that someone else has different tastes than I do. Therefore, we must use force and threats to force all to conform."

What you're missing here is others have a much of a right to avoid seeing what they choose not to see.

What you're missing here is others have a much of a right to avoid seeing what they choose not to see.

I don't care if someone wants to run the reformed church of latter day furry escorts, there are certain things on either end of the spectrum that should be permited but at the same time, I don't want to see.

I'm pretty liberal when it comes to second life and what should be permitted. I'm also very in favor of land owners being able to enjoy their land without other land owners intereference, and to a lesser extent, for everyone being able to enjoy second life without having to accidently stumble across areas they wish to avoid.

You haven't by any chance been involved with something like running a science fiction convention have you *grins* ?.

But as Adults, i think we need to learn to Accept Reality. and the existing Reality of SL IS that there Is a Chance that Minors will enter the grid, and Seek out any adult Material available, and i don't really consider it Too Honorous to take one or two extra precautions Even if that precaution amounts Only to haveing a Phantomed Prim over my doorway, that states "Over 18's Only". .

I think pasties and a G-string is slutty, doesn't mean that I think you should find it so either.

The fact is, mature is mature. The warning is there already. I don't see the need for any additional warnings. Otherwise it becomes like those computer messages that say "Are you really sure you want to delete this file?" "Are you really REALLY sure?" and so on.

If a minor intrudes where he's not supposed to be, that's his fault. I can't stop him lying about his age, and I don't have a duty of care towards him.

I personally think by allowing or restrict residents with payment info on file will be very sufficient enough to cover a lot of problems...

Well, I'd /love/ to agree with you - unfortunately, I've known of at least two minors who were both members of long standing and were premium.

But, really, at that point... there's not a lot you can do.

FYI:

Lewis Nerd incurred a "violation" on November 27, and has been permanently banned from the SL forums for "repeatedly making inflammatory posts disrupting the productive conversation of other Residents."

He also received a 3-day inworld suspension.

coco