Stew - First Land was being raped by those few who ruined the program for the rest of the new players. Something had to be done.
I am happy they are releasing as much new land as possible. Hopefully (though it's not clear yet), it will provide more opportunities for those who were priced out of the market during the ridiculous era of greed we have seen recently. I am still holding out hope.
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Gillian Waldman
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03-01-2007 09:35
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Jackson Rickenbacker
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03-01-2007 09:37
If you want to know who the true victims are in SL its the land barons and speculators, they are the ones that had the faith to invest thousands of dollars into SL. What protections do they have? LL is trying to balance the needs of all residents, but the resident that bought a 512m2 for 8k at one time is unhappy that his 512m2 is worth 7k now, in reality does his displeasure have any more weight than the Land Baron that lost 5k USD?, All the while, everyone is bashing the land guy for trying to make a profit, sometimes I wonder if people are taking their freedom in a capitolist market for granted. Its not like land investors are playing with a differnt set of rules than everyone else
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Rockwell Ginsberg
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03-01-2007 09:38
kinda makes sense dont u think? Dude, the more you post, the less sense you make... Just stop. |
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Stew Breyer
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03-01-2007 09:42
Only if you are in the business of buying and selling land. I own a very nice 3000m2 chunk of coast land in Deimos. I bought it for about 12L$/m2. I could have dumped it for three times that just a few week ago. But I did not. Why? I like the land. I get more enjoyment out of it than I would have the extra L$. LL wants to sell land. The more land they sell, the more tier they collect. Lower prices make people more likely to buy land. And for many people, once they buy a little bit if land, they will want more  If you want to look at it in terms of "fairness" (which I suspect LL doesn't really give a damn about), why is it fair to stick all the new people coming into the game with unusually high land prices? agian again again again, i dont care about the fact that they want to bring the prices down...... but being unfair to some people to make other people happy is not a way a business should run and even more so..... look if they dont care about fairness they could at least concider the fact that people have spent allot of money on land..... (please remember i dont buy and sell land) i simply own land which i run a business from...... I barely cover my tier fees with the money that i make, now look i made the decision to buy the land and i have stuck with it but now i have...no problem with that..... but now the land will become worth a fraction of the price...... I DONT BUY AND SELL LAND..... |
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Rockwell Ginsberg
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03-01-2007 09:43
They can't please all the people all the time. That's the bottom line. They really don't care about your situation. That's the reality of the situation. I'm not playing devil's advocate, I'm just telling you how it is, man.
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Fly Dancer
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03-01-2007 09:46
LL say they want to make land more affordble ....ok ... just open 50 sims and sell cheap plots but remove resell option .... simple
They are out to make money riding on the back of a wave of high land pricing and while doing it they are making it known that vast amounts of money is being spent here by displaying it on the web site .... this makes them more atractive to advertising and fat cats ... thats no concpiricy its fact what i would like to see on the website is how many people have closed accounts and walked away ... them figures would be intresting ...and i would bet my left lung they would never display that figure on the web site As much as the land pricing is the big issue here i think the issue is more about making SL look attrective to big investers ... i wonder how many of the fat cats reserch this forum to see how upset some of the the current ( little guy ) investers are with how things are run round here ? Greed drives SL .... greedy LL ... greedy barrons ... greedy noobs selling 512sqms for 20 k I spend a lot of time on help island and the most common question has changed from " How do i have sex here ? " ..... to ... " How do i make money here ? " What happend to having fun ? |
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Rockwell Ginsberg
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03-01-2007 09:46
I barely cover my tier fees with the money that i make, now look i made the decision to buy the land and i have stuck with it but now i have...no problem with that..... but now the land will become worth a fraction of the price..... It seems you have a large problem with it actually. You're not stuck with your land. I'll buy it from you... |
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Gillian Waldman
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03-01-2007 09:46
What do you think is more "fair" : Not having enough land for those 40,000 new players who sign-up for SL every day (of course only a small fraction of those 40,000 people will stick around)? Or keeping your land (which you say you don't want to sell
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Pegasus Alva
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03-01-2007 09:48
If you want to know who the true victims are in SL its the land barons and speculators, they are the ones that had the faith to invest thousands of dollars into SL. What protections do they have? LL is trying to balance the needs of all residents, but the resident that bought a 512m2 for 8k at one time is unhappy that his 512m2 is worth 7k now, in reality does his displeasure have any more weight than the Land Baron that lost 5k USD?, All the while, everyone is bashing the land guy for trying to make a profit, sometimes I wonder if people are taking their freedom in a capitalist market for granted. Its not like land investors are playing with a different set of rules than everyone else Yeah I agree that the land traders are the victims of this but don't expect anyone to have sympathy for them, the majority of non land sellers (barons if you will though I dislike how most people misuse the term) couldn't really give a damn if the land sellers lose money as long as prices go down to affordable rates and the fact that prices so high really is bad for the economy as many people on financial or even in many cases moral grounds are refusing to give in to the greed currently pervasive in the land selling market so anyone (not necessarily you) who wants sympathies for land sellers really is in the wrong neck of the metaphorical woods. P.S. I hope you don't mind I made a few minor spelling corrections when I quoted your text, please don't take that as a criticism of your post it's more a statement of how admittedly neurotic I've become about spelling . |
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Isablan Neva
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03-01-2007 09:49
but being unfair to some people to make other people happy is not a way a business should run Find me a business ANYWHERE that isn't unfair to some people in order to make other people happy.... _____________________
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Jackson Rickenbacker
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03-01-2007 09:54
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Pegasus Alva
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03-01-2007 09:56
Find me a business ANYWHERE that isn't unfair to some people in order to make other people happy.... If you believe those crummy tv commercials the city of Perfect probably has them, but of course we don't live in Perfect. |
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Stew Breyer
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03-01-2007 09:58
They can't please all the people all the time. That's the bottom line. They really don't care about your situation. That's the reality of the situation. I'm not playing devil's advocate, I'm just telling you how it is, man. Dude u know that you are trying to upset me...u keep insulting me, thats fine, i dont give a rats arse what u think personally...... You cannot tell me that, that i am the only one who understood that LL could not keep up with the land demand due to the inflight of new members (first land)..... so where did they get the time to create 40 sims? its as simple as that mate!!! they intentionally released the 40 sims at one time.... and not fogettting the constant statments of reducing land prices.... "Over the last several weeks we have been adding land to the mainland at a fairly slow rate (4 new regions per day) while we complete the delivery of islands ordered at the end of 2006. The result is that pricing has been creeping up steadily and is currently about double what we saw per m2 in November. In order to meet the increased demand, our plan is to start to increase the rate at which we put mainland regions online. " - whos fault is this ? (not mine but i am paying the price) "Our hope is that through much higher levels of mainland expansion, market forces will act to bring resale prices down over time, for example the new continent being brought up to the east. " |
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Stew Breyer
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03-01-2007 10:05
What do you think is more "fair" : Not having enough land for those 40,000 new players who sign-up for SL every day (of course only a small fraction of those 40,000 people will stick around)? Or keeping your land (which you say you don't want to sell ) at a ridiculous price?Again again agian, they must re-lease land and more land that is fine!!!!!! but do it in a way that it does not effect the people that have already bought land...... and Gillian i will sell my land for whatever the market is selling it at u darn right , cause currently the market rate is a heck of allot cheaper than what i paid for my land....... i would never sell it for twice the value , i would sell it at market value...but market value = loss for me..... u know what, further more it has nothing to do with what i have spent on land , it has to do with how many times will i buy land in the future (to add to my land) and then regret it afterwards cause LL does somthin else to upset the balance....... |
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tristan Eliot
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03-01-2007 10:07
"Our hope is that through much higher levels of mainland expansion, market forces will act to bring resale prices down over time, for example the new continent being brought up to the east. " In other words... If you don't need the land this instant, then wait cuz prices are gonna come down. No hidden message in that. |
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Stew Breyer
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03-01-2007 10:07
Find me a business ANYWHERE that isn't unfair to some people in order to make other people happy.... not ur own clients, if u would run a business like that, please remind me to stay clear....understand? |
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Cristalle Karami
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03-01-2007 10:07
u know Cristalle, u have not acknowledged anythin that i have said, i have confimed and re-confirmed , that i agree that they should increase the land but as i have said on numerous occasions they are going about it in the wrong way, oh sorry, u probably going to say somthin like " they can do what they want cause they are LL" u addin nothin constructive...... i was simply sayin that they are takin oppertunities away from people, the "leavin nothin" does not meen it in the entire sense of leavin nothing, i am purposly over-exagerating...... i hope for ur sake that one day u are in my situtation..... perhaps then u can just get a little feeling -sorry yes i know , u probably perfect , and the "perfect" exmple of what SL "wants of all of us". but bottom line u have done nothing but agree with the way LL has appraoched this.... and cant see past ur nose cause u are not the one at a disadvantage..... like it has been said, SL is based on real businiess models except when it some ethical decisions, they made the mistake of not providing enough land which forced (yes i know noone forced) us/me into buying high priced land..... now to rectify the situation and only "temporary" they will cause people to lose money....... it will happen again and again and again..... wait till people are payin high prices then suddenly have a problem with it and then suddenly pump another 100 sims inland, (wait , sorry, i thought there was no time to create firstland or sims..... but suddenly they can release 40 sims? ) yes this is defn the way to go about it....... kinda makes sense dont u think? no time , no resources to create first land , we so behind..... wait oh...wait...oh o forgot about those 40 servers.....lets go live....please......what does this tell you? The only one not adding anything constructive is you, because you show your obstinance and contradict yourself to try to win a point. You expect prices to "decrease naturally" - get real! How is that supposed to happen? You expect the land barons to not try to edge each other out for a sim at auction? I want some of whatever you're on. They may be "taking away opportunities" from some but are giving a hell of a lot more opportunities for everyone who wants to buy land - land barons included, because when they buy at a lower price, their profit margin increases! The only people it really hurts are the middle resellers, who are the ones artificially increasing the prices anyway! As for the first land issue - that made me sick. I hated the fact that LL took it away. But you know what? I gotta deal with it. Life sucks and then you die. If you can't deal, you have a choice and can vote with your feet if you think they are sooooo unethical. You can go stake out the new aussie outback VR game in development, and then get pissed off when they release more land and start the cycle of whining over again. |
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Rockwell Ginsberg
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03-01-2007 10:08
So from the blog post, it was clear that LL thought land prices were too high and was ready to take action to correct it. The warning was as clear as day. Prices were too high. LL had to bring prices down. Nothing sinister...
Cristalle - I think you've been 100% right on with every post in this thread... too bad none of your comments are making sense to Stew... |
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Gillian Waldman
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03-01-2007 10:08
they must re-lease land and more land that is fine!!!!!! but do it in a way that it does not effect the people that have already bought land...... This is where you just. don't. get. it. Plus, if you're not selling...why are you worrying? _____________________
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Stew Breyer
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03-01-2007 10:10
In other words... If you don't need the land this instant, then wait cuz prices are gonna come down. No hidden message in that. yeah u right, this is the message i get " if u dont need land right now...... just wait cause we are going to FORCE the prices down, does not matter who step on, as long as we get u to pay a tier, the people that we are standing on are ok, cause they are already paying a tier........" swomthin like that..... |
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Gillian Waldman
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03-01-2007 10:12
And forgive me, but how can you be serious about business when you will not use "your" or "you" as opposed to "ur" and "u"?
I am sorry. It's petty but the irony is simply too great. _____________________
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Stew Breyer
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03-01-2007 10:13
This is where you just. don't. get. it. Plus, if you're not selling...why are you worrying? Well is this not obvious , should i wait till the land prices are really screwed and i waste a 2/3 of what i paid for the land or , or should i perhaps sell it now? |
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Stew Breyer
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03-01-2007 10:18
And forgive me, but how can you be serious about business when you will not use "your" or "you" as opposed to "ur" and "u"? I am sorry. It's petty but the irony is simply too great. omg, this is becoming an english lesson is it not....EVERYONE I CANNOT SPELL AND I TYPE ENOUGH IN MY LIFE TO NOT WANT TO USE FULL WORDS!!! Forgive me for not being serious about business ...... i mean come on, what has that got to do with the price of chickens? everyone uses these words when typing messages.....SMS, MMS, IM, u(sorry i mean You) name it.... |
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tristan Eliot
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03-01-2007 10:20
Well is this not obvious , should i wait till the land prices are really screwed and i waste a 2/3 of what i paid for the land or , or should i perhaps sell it now? You paid for a product and got the product. Now enjoy it. Even if prices were not to drop you would have eventually lost your money in tier payments. Even if your business is covering your tier it is still a loss and not a gain. |
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Gillian Waldman
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03-01-2007 10:22
Look Stew, I hope you get a gazillion Lindens for your land
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