nix on gambling? Watch the populations flee

Give me a break...SL has TONS of content that is open and free--have you seen all the mature sims?

What the heck do you want for creeps sake? You can't have fun without casinos?

Um, might want to check again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe_Port_Act

"Title VIII of the Act is also known as the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006. This title (found at 31 U.S.C. § 5361-5367) prohibits the transfer of funds from a financial institution to an Internet gambling site, with the notable exceptions of "fantasy" sports, online lotteries, and horse/harness racing."

Although the law doesn't ban internet gambling outright, wagering in SL then trading your L$ for USD could definitely be interpreted as illegal under the provision.

First, you never "bought" this product. You payed for a licence to use it.

That said, everything is subject to RL laws before ANY claim otherwise. I can't open a casino and declare it the "Murder is legal!" casino in real life. I'm breaking the law against opening a casino, and just because I say murder is legal, doesn't mean it is. I can't open a hotel and say "This hotel is your world! You can do whatever you want!", because the people will still be bound, first and foremost, by the laws of the land.

Yes ok but you can understand that it would be more easy for me to go and look all over the grid for nike shoes then catching someone playing a song of my catalogue wich is not as big as the majors
For that i need to be on everybody's land all the time, sounds a bit to far fetched for someone that cries for freedom

You fail by virtue of being a drama queen.

SL is a product. Products have to obey laws. This has been true for centuries, it is true today, and it will be true when your great great grandchildren are dead and gone.

What you are saying is "they gotcha"? Nice publicity!

Is it a product or not because you just said i didn't buy a product i just pay for a license.

You are sending mixed messages but are behaving like a good number

Well, by the same line of logic, can you name me a single casino or gambling-related product that will amaze me? Surely not.

As I said before, whether you personally (or me or any other single individual) find something interesting is not relevant.

I'm currently working on things that I've never seen in SL, that absolutely require two-way communication between SL and real-world physical devices, but I sincerely doubt that you'd be interested in any of that. That doesn't mean that it's not innovative.

I've built other things that are (to my knowledge, at least) unique in Second Life, and are enjoyed by quite a few people, that I doubt you'd enjoy. They just don't appeal to people like you. But it took creativity and skill to make, and you won't find them in Search because I made them specifically for one sub-community in Second Life.

You have a very narrow, misguided, and self-centered definition of "innovative".


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I want the choice to be able to gamble if I want to, I don't gamble or wish to gamble in an online casino (much rather go to a real one for the atmosphere) However in UK it's legal to gamble online. And it's nice to know I have the freedom to do so even though I do not use that freedom I still have it.

Do you not understand the bigger picture though ? It starts with gambling but what next ? Because you can sure as hell bet that something else that is "illegal" will go in this VIRTUAL world!

I play Second Life to escape the real world and I do not wish for the real world to be brought into SL which is happening right here. Also I do not wish for US laws to infringe on my freedom when I am not a citizen or bound by those laws. It's not a matter of need it's a matter of principles and freedoms!

LL is a US-based company, the servers are located in the US, both of those facts make SL subject to US law first and foremost, regardless of whether something happens to be legal where you live, that's not relevant.

If something happens to be illegal in your country, but legal in the US that still doesn't mean it's proper for you to engage in it on SL, you're still breaking your local laws.

There have been "casinos are/gambling is illegal" arguments for at least as long as I've been on SL. If you were oblivious to all of that, that's really your own fault. If you decide to throw/invest money in something, it's up to you to do your research, noone but you is responsible if you don't.

More like "caveat emptor". You read waaaay too much into marketing spiel if you believed that LL had somehow created a new nation free from all laws. Because they never claimed that.

Its a license. A license can still be a product. Take a gander at the EULA in that copy of Windows you're running, for example.

If you didn't want the real world to be brought into SL, then why do you own chairs with legs? Why do we have to illuminate with lamps?

SL is a product that is open to the public with no true age verification...we NEED rules, for our kids sake.

So... Gambling and Sex Is outlawed in SL?
wow.

I guess I really will quit.
I guess I really will put more time into my own OPEN SOURCE Virtual World
with importable .3ds running the torque game engine.
I guess I really will be a part of the crew that drives SL into the ground and makes it
the "Second" most talked about virtual world.

Thanks linden. You finally got me off my ass and into my compiler.

Neurosis

That makes sense to me


Well as this is a huge community i have indeed followed all the pro's and contra's about furry's, gor, rpg, gambling, virtual worlds, camping, landbot's, landbarons, religion, freedom and a thousand other debates. And that's just my point : Are we gonna kill it all or ...?

lol you brought kids into it *rolls eyes* that's the responsibility of the parents not for SL to impose restrictions on the rest of us adults because some people are useless parents!

The only reason I can understand why this restriction is brought in is because it's illegal to gamble online in the states, however I do not believe that the rest of the world who play SL should be bound by the US laws & have a freedom they have in their own country taken away from them!

Honestly though if you want to bury your head in the sand and think it's a one off then do that but don't be hating when I say "I told you so" when the lindens ban something in game that you enjoy because it's illegal

I really have to watch the docu again where some linden dude said something like that. Ill come back to you on that in 6 hours, not gonna spoil my families first life evening

Sorry dude, i'm not into legal i believe you but i still am a customer and raising my voice. Or can't I be one and should i just shut up? (legally that is

For those who were here and remember when "dwell died", many of the same complaints were cast. I understand the outrage, diss-appointment and feelings of abandonment. I also remember about a year ago a major discussion here in the forums regarding the possible intrusion of the Law into SL especially the IRS looking at the online gambling revenues. 6 months ago or thereabouts I read in the news one of several stories that talk about sl and the article(s) references to the gambling and the possible IRS interest. Since I came into the game there have been "hater's" who have done all the could to kill the environment and crush Linden Labs. Of course, then having 3500 people on at the same time was a big day, lol. I even remember stories of LL's supporting the Terrorist's(Griefer's) for being contrarian, and reading about the shops of drone computers set up in third world countries to take advantage of sl camping area's , ok, thats a bit out there, but like pixels through your video cards so are the days of our secondlives.

Kids are not allowed on the grid, duh! what do we care about kids on sl? they are not supposed to be here at all.

No we're just drama queens not allowed an opinion infact why have a forums and lets just impose full censorship *rolls eyes* I do smell faschism though & the restraint of liberties & freedom to express yourself

Streaming video & music will be the next thing to be banned I can guarantee it.

I hate that show, you really make me want to turn this into in a galaxy far far away

Let's change the station

I am reading this and I am seeing many are not getting the point in all this. I never cared for casino's either, but when I was a newbie I camped in them. I even danced on a pole getting paid in tips. All in casino's. I didn't play the slots. Over time I was able to buy new skin, shape, clothing, ..and expanded. So, I took that money I made from working...and guess where it went??.....in went into SL community, malls...stores...Even to renting a small place.

Of course as I looked better, I was able to get better jobs, but I started by newbie camping. Thats gone.

Simply by removing Casinos, ..its going to have a ripple effect. Everyone does get hurt. Every store owner...club owner...EVERYBODY.

People worried of stock exchange for lindens...better sell out now and watch the economy really drop. This is just the beginning. Next money maker...Escorts, ...ok..remove them...Even more malls...and business's will close. Facts are facts...Three top money sources have been.... Real estate, casino's...and Sex... Keep pushing it, and there isn't going to be an SL to worry about.. They just bit themselves in the ass, and within a few weeks it'll ripple and hurt many people. No matter how you look at it, money was spent in the community from the casinos, ...in every way possible...the domino effect has just begun. It's bound to hurt more then casino owners.

Actually land only uses shoutcast servers to play music, you go after the person broadcasting it. Which is why you would do a packet sniff. If 10 different owners are playing the stream, you hit one source and that kills it for all 10 land owners.


However you could take the hard route or do like I said.

Second life is a private business. It's not a democracy. Its no kind of government. If you ever thought otherwise, you were deluding yourself. Its like saying Disney Land is fascist because they won't let you run a casino out of your hotel room there.