nix on gambling? Watch the populations flee

Both comments and pings are currently closed. ..how convenient. no compromises for the SL economy.

no gambling in SL = 50% population base. duh.\
all the builders of those sites and machines will go broke.
the owners of the buildings will go broke.
scripting will not continue to develop.
disappointment in lack of your ability to follow through on your advertised promises will kill your game.
email me in 6 months and compare the user base, I dare ya.

SECOND LIFE IS OBLIVIOUS TO IT'S RESIDENTS AS LONG AS IT MAKES A HUGE PROFIT AND IF IT DOESNT , IT NERFS THE GAME FEATURES.......JUST LIKE EVERQUEST DID.
Which is why three guilds I new on Everquest with over 2oo members QUIT.
Nerf the game, and everyone will migrate to WOW, although most SL members already have WOW accounts they play more than SL.

anyway, as an office and business worker for 29 years, I am amazed at your ridiculous unprofitable, unpractical and money losing decision.

oh well, your loss.

Did they stop gambling in SL, or are you worried that they will? I'm not big on current events...RL or SL....lol...so I don't know.

No, they put the Kibosh on gambling last night. I doubt highly that half the population will leave, though.

Its insane.
I'm not even IN the US but now i'm having your retarded regulations applied to me ?
Hell i don't even gamble but damnit i'm not here to have LL babysit me.

If i want to gamble I will, its MY choice.
And I WILL do it, especially if its illegal.

So the gamblers leave. Big deal? They don't contribute anything to Second Life community wise.

I'd rather see the population shrink some and have the remaining people be more interesting, and build cool things and areas, than just sit there for hours pumping virtual money into slot machines.

This will only be good for Second Life in the long run, I promise you.

This really sucks for me. I had just invested 20k in having themed games made for my themed gaming Tavern, using slots to retain some of my money back. Albeit, not all my games that I am invested in having created are "gambling" just pay to play like pool tables.

A question of thought, IF...I was to convert those "slot" themed base games into just pay to play, or gift givers with no winnings of money is this legal? I am thinking more on the lines of pay to play like a pinball game of years ago in game halls. I ask this ..only to try and recover some of my loss. I even had to stop my classified that I paid lindens to yesterday for I had to close down...so not only did I lose money in buying and having games built and opened yesterday, I lost money in using Lindens very own classified section without a return of my money.

Help on this...would be greatly apprieciated.

Figures though on the day I opened, ..I had to close down. We should of been given a month warning or something!!!

50% of people gamble in SL? Where did you pull that statistic from?
Builders of casinos cannot diversify? (Why would anybody with building skills be limited to building casinos?)
Scripting will not continue to develop? (I'm a scripter and have never created a gambling device in fourteen months as a Second Life user. Am I so atypical?)

I will bump this thread in six months because I don't have your email address.

yeah i don't get the panic either.
if the business was so great to put so much money in SL for it, why not try to build a casino in RL?

If I saw as many casinos in RL as in SL i bet some measures would have to be taken too by someone.

And it's fair I mean, after I've seen machine owners beating the scores with their infinite money, i kinda agree with this measure. this is not imagination, it's greediness.

Sorry, but its not fair. No matter how you look at it its not fair.

I never played casino games either, nor do I hang out in casino's at all. But at the idea of trying to bring in traffic to a roleplaying sims to help with some of the funding cost of having a sims to play in...an idea of a gaming room was created a few weeks ago. Not just themed based slots machines, which there was a cost in creating, but other games as well.

I did the research two three weeks ago, my understanding was illegal to use casino and such in a classified. I went with it...developed my gaming room. If I had known during my research that in a month..[use of a pre-warning] this would be illegal..I wouldn't now be out of a great deal of money.

Is this fair?... Very unfair for many of us!!

Okay let me explain a basic idea to you. try and follow it.

Mindless drones pump in money to the slot machines.
The owners then PAY the creative people to be creative and MAKE things.

Do you understand?
The less people in SL the less L$ their is in the economy, the less L$ the less people will make as people will not be there to BUY it.

So yeah this will have an affect and its also part of an annoying trend. It has to stop.

I suspect Linden wouldn't have bothered unless they were getting pressure from law enforcement, or at least nervous lawyers. It may suck to have US laws affecting you if you don't live in US, but unfortunately, Linden is smack dab in the United States & has to be concerned about such things. Wouldn't do the SL gaming community any good to have the servers shut down entirely.

If there's a market for 3-D virtual gambling (and apparently there is), this is a fine entrepreneurial opportunity for those of you with capital to invest who live outside the US's legal reach.

Where is the freedom in second life? I feel like in i live in north korea.

Second Life has misled everyone with boasting this is a free world where you can build what ever you want, well it's just a lie. You can't build anymore what you want!

The most irritating fact about all this is that second life only bends for one law but not all the laws that should be applicable for the game. Prostitution is forbidden in the US but not on SL. Sex in public places is forbidden in the US not on sl. Drugs are forbidden in the US not on SL. I can even have my own nuclear bomb on second life without Bush threatening me!

On the other hand it seems that second life itself became illegal yesterday because they admit that the Linden dollar is real money. To my knowledge the only legal currency in the us is the US$ so what LL does is illegal, because casino's can't be illegal when you don't use real money.

Ok some idiots dont get the picture, its not just people who sit there and put money into machines, gaming has partly made sl what it is today, alot of camping zones are in casinos, well i guess i should use the term were; do you think land owners can just afford to give away their lindens? Either way you look at it it isnt a good thing and people with move away to other MMO's which are similar and do not impose these laws.

as said in a post above, scripters builders and business makers alike will suffer the most.and yes they contribute ALOT to second life, otherwise this place would be abre and pointless; of course it just means there will be less scripters; why would somebody continue to produce algorythms if they are no longer to be used or cant be sold

Also the one thing that has driven me nuts is th facyt that multiplayer games like on a roll, greedy greedy, poker etc - which are great fun to play and a great way of socialising have to go underground.

i can see work arounds coming along, i can see people leaving, not half the population but people who only really game on here, i can also see SL Europe opening maybe i hope anyway because im not takeing much more $4!t from the us government.

for thoose idiots saying that the gaming community never offered anything to sl, what have you done lately that is so great and changes peoples lives? is this the change that will cause sl to crash and burn? no, but it will be a very dull place to be; no more sl-ingo, no more tringo, no more nothing. One thing i will ask of LL is to provide a list of what is legal in america for thoose of us that dont know. what is gambling?? Dont you have the lottery in america where you pay someone and have the chance to win money?
isnt that gambling? perhaps some work arounds will be made on that basis. What about scratch cards, always takeing a gamble there. I dont understand

Let me tell you how economics works on my sim. I had a casino, i have a club, a money tree and campers, shops, residential rent.

All the profits of the casino went to giving money for free at club events, to the money tree and to the campers. No profits ever left second life always went back to the community. My campers are now disabled. I just remember that i still have to delete the money tree, and no money will be given anymore at club events. This means that a lot of people just don't have any money anymore in a few days when most campers will come to a halt and most people will go into prostitution, the 2nd easy way to earn money on sl.


Most money that came in came from the casino, so all economy comes to a halt at my sim. Yes i can make my sim ugly by only focussing on estate but that was not my dream. My dream was a sim that could run by itself and still be the best of both worlds.

So now i have 3 options

1. Make my sim like most sims are, ugly looking suburbs or malls
2 turn my sim into the biggest whorehouse of second life
3 Just sell my sim, quit and go to the newspapers and say they are right "SL is over"

Me thinks this is a good thing. I know a lot of you love to gamble...but why not gamble outside of SL, using the myriad gambling games available. Some of these apps have large community bases as well…made specifically for gambling.

Gambling and Sex, although a strong community base, does not interest me one bit. And the people that make Second Life so amazing, are not the gamblers and casino makers, but the creative minds and geniuses that break SL from the bonds of RL. <-- This is ALL opinion. Don’t flame me for that.

The population will not see such a dramatic decrease like suggested. And whatever that decrease, it will be a positive thing.

If gambling and casinos were banned all over the world, would that make life any less interesting? Would people never visit Nevada again? Detroit?

These are the opinions of one citizen.

Your thoughts are the very reason SL has a dark, dirty, nasty side that many of us would never miss if it vanished.

1. Try hiring a designer to construct a beautiful suburb or mall. There a TONS of beautiful shopping centers out there.

2. Oh, so because gambling is gone, you have to go to the next biggest frowned upon activity? This kind of mentality is why the press is having a field day with SL.

3. You're right. You should just quit. As far as telling the newspapers SL is over? That's your choice.

What do you do actually on second life? Just chat? There are much easier ways to chat using a messenger. I guess you must do other things as well. Be sure some of the things you do now ill disappear as they become to expensive to keep funding. I could do wild things on my sim because it was funded by gamblers.

OMFG. For the gazillionth time. You may be observing depicted sex on SL, but nobody actually HAS sex. Therefore prostitution doesn't REALLY exist. Nor do drugs. Nor does your nuclear bomb. They're all PRETEND things.
When I last went to a casino, I bought chips to play with. Chips aren't real currency. Does that make those casinos perfectly legal in the States?

There is not a nationwide law prohibiting or permitting gambling. States have a good deal of autonomy in making local laws.

In most states, the government reserves the right to run lotteries -- all the ones I know of are state run. (Yes, that makes state governments hypocritical, but it's profitable.) All other gambling is prohibited, except horse racing (I don't know what the reason for this exception is). This is an overgeneralization, I'm sure (you can sell tickets for drawings and such, I'm not sure how that fits in), but it's basically accurate.

This is one reason Las Vegas is so famous -- Nevada was one of the only states to permit gambling for many years (also, as far as I know, the only state to permit prostitution).

In the past couple decades, the federal government has ruled that states cannot prevent Native American tribes from allowing gaming on tribal lands, so there are an increasing number of Indian casinos springing up.

1. Did you even had a look of my sim? Well guess what, it looks better then whetever you might have build. On the other hand what do you need to hire a builder? income right?

2. Yes indeed, if gambling is not allowed anymore we move up to the next big thing till SL realizes they cant go on forbidding everything

3. Well the newspapers overhere don't do nothing else, whilst people like me kept defending sl in the newspapers.

What is your contribution to second life?

Why don't you try doing other things with your SL existence. I'm well aware SL is more than a chat program.

If your entire sim was funded by gamblers, then you'll have to rethink your your strategy. I guess now you should try and get your sim funded by strip clubs.

I'm just messing with you.

I started few mounth ago spend a lot of time and rl money in my club/casino
now i think its over for me i dont whant to be in sl anymore.im lucky because i whant yesterday buy some new games for my club but i dont do it.
it where be wasted now.
sorry but im sick about the us gouverment or whatever there.
and i think too many many people dont will play sl anymore.
see you in another life..

Well it happens on my sim that I own and are responsible for? But suddenly i'm not responsible myself for gambling?

Linden dollars are no real dollars, it just can't be real because the only legal currency in the US is US$ Making your own money is illegal, so you can't gamble on sl because there is no real money just like sex isn't real on sl!

That's the whole point, you can't say something is real what is not. If linden dollars are real it's a felony!

hehe, i hate you

Ok so you dont reall get the picture, if you think its a con you dont play, its not all about the slot machines the single player games where the payout can be fixed. And yes your right you would never see as many casinos in an area in rl as you did in sl, this is because of a little thing called money. would you pay $7,000 for a peice of 512 m2 peice of land? No, this is why sl is so appealing. A house costs nothing to build apart from the land you have to rent out and buy and the textures you have to upload. god why am i even argueing with you. Think logically next time before you put some comment on here that is irrelevent. this is second life; i dont expect to have laws impossed on me from a country 1000's of miles away from me. Bring on the revolution or evolution; which ever comes first

hmmmmmm do you have a few million dollars spare we could use?



hmmm have you ever been to a casino in rl? i have 3 within 25 miles of me; it would be my choice to go there and alot of people do go there for a night out. Believe it or not there are regulations in the countries where there are casino's!!!!!! you obviously havent thought your point through. The UK goverment loves casinos so much they have made the regulation side of things very successfull.

EDIT: perhaps if LL had though about regulating the gameing there wouldnt be so many problems; im not saying its their fault, i know they didnt expect to grow so fast this time last year; but i do hope something is done soon, like "casino sims" which are sold differently under a sister company but appear on the sl and bans us residents from entering? im not saying id like us residents to be banned but this seems to be main issue, oh and the location of the servers and company head office address.