nix on gambling? Watch the populations flee

Straight from the butt, I think.
Looking around Second Life, it would appear that the *vast majority* of people with building skills build things other than casinos... Or, at the very least, the vast majority of buildings and items in second life are not gambling-related
My primary reason for being in Second Life this past year has been scripting, and I have been fairly prolific in the number of scripts that I have written. I have never created a gambling device either, so I don't think you are so atypical after all.

Six months from now I imagine that even those who remember the "gambling banhammer" will not care enough to email the population numbers, and even if they did the numbers will be a great deal larger. I very strongly doubt that this new policy will have any long-term effect on the in-world economy or population number.

Thank you Cat

People deliberately get their credit cards out to buy Linden dollars so they can place a wager on a game of chance. If the game of chance works in their favour, they are paid in Linden dollars which can be converted to real dollars. That sounds very REAL to me. Hence the legal grey area. Hardly surprising that the Lindens would act on it because if they didn't the ramifications could be much much worse.

For those still confused about what sexual intercourse actually *is*, I am so tired of trying to explain that I will point you at an encyclopaedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_intercourse

Clue: It doesn't take place in a virtual world, and it involves physical contact with another member of the same species. Unless you're a bit weird.

(I understand no furries or tinies were harmed during the making of the above article...apart from Mrs B. Widow's unfortunate spouse anyway.)

Well could you build something new then please? I love shopping for new gadgets and guess what, sl lacks a lot of innovative scripters because all i see after 5 months is the same old stuff in a new package. The only market that was innovative where casino builders.

So please prove me wrong and show of your totally-new-rocks-my-socks-of-stuff because it aint out there!

Yes, so successful that they recently shelved plans for Las Vegas style Supercasinos in this country, amid much uproar because they'd already granted the first license to Manchester.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6292630.stm

People also deliberately get their credit cards out to see sex with animals or kids it's the same as they do here. Someone that is watching a pedo movie is not having sex is he? Still it's illegal.

Yes i know that... thats becasue the north is notoriously "poorer" than the south. Id love a Super Casino where i live down south, rendezvous and westcliff in southend just arnt big enough for my needs

Where is the ban on the infringement of copyrights? Lot's of people use sl to see movies illegally, lots of people play music illegally ....


Where is the ban on that?

Er, possession of child porn = criminal offence. Sure, play one of those movies in your casino if you'd like to get thrown into prison besides being banned.

I can't work out whether you're being deliberately obtuse, but the inanity of these casino threads is increasing my passive/aggressive count so I'm getting out before I have a meltdown.

MASSIVE point lol, yeh next thing you know all the us agencys will be on that too

If somebody infringes your copyright you file a DMCA and get the infringing material removed. Second Life content creators file these successfully all the time.

Well tell me how i gonna prove that someone is playing my music on there land?

I still not understand why people that are against casino's favour the first fall of freedom in second life. This will eventually effect you all. At this moment it's not your turn but there will come a day something you like or is your business that will be affected by a ban.

I don't live in the US so i don't know how it is to live under a sort of what we in europe almost describe as a dictatorship, but i really can't accept people to give in there freedoms that fast.

I own a RL independent record company and I am against illegal downloading and such but as i entered SL i changed my state of mind on that subject for SL only because this world had his own freedom and rules. People may carry guns here and kill each other and if i don't like it i just quit. But now it seems this world isn't so different after all. If something is illegal it should be taken care of so how's the deal on making it impossible to infringe copyrights on music or video? Thinking like a music industry person i would suggest to take away to ability to play mediafiles would cut the deal, i don't think going as dramatic as shutting the whole game down is necessary all-tough p2p software builders also said their software could be used for legal reasons.

See where i'm getting at? It starts with casino's but it can end up in not be able to play music anymore what to me sounds like very dumb but understandable.

Firstly, I contribute in many ways. Stop by my studio sometime, check out my work, see how my RL design skill is implemented in a seamless fashion. I do many things in SL, and a lot of those things are pro-bono.

I love to create and collaborate--and I bring my RL design training to the grid. I'd don't think you should scoff at that.

Those are simulations of a thing. Simulated sex. Simulated drugs. Simulated weapons. But the gambling is real.

Bzzzt, try again.

Except that in that case, the data never passes through SL. SL is actually less than a P2P application even.

Innovative casino builders? Somehow, I can't seem to quit laughing at that one. It's just so.... Surely you are not serious?

As for new and innovative gadgets, perhaps you need to actually look around a bit more. I imagine you'll have a bit more time to do that now, though, and you will see that there are new things being developed every single day in SL.

Whether they rock your socks off or not is not relevant, because your personal opinion is not the deciding factor in whether something is innovative.

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You see, just like me you feel that you contribute to this community. What you do I may not like, what I do you might not like. I bought a sim just for all that. I wouldn't bother anyone with lagging the sim when I have my parties and I wouldn't have to worry about the strange guy that swims with kid av's in his pool that could be my neighbour.

I don't understand why there is such a big fuzz with age verification system where the owner of a sim becomes responsible for all things evolving sex. Why can't i just ban all US citizens if i want to do that because with the age verification it would let me. That's what bothers me the most actually.

The way how this is solved is beyond me and makes someone really confused of what you can do.

Suddenly their came a voice from the sky who said "thou shall not gamble" I hope god next pick is on how people advertise on what they sell. Because a lot of nasty things is going round there as well. If real laws apply on sl we might consider to defend consumers against fraudulent advertisement. How many products aren't for sale where the advertisement is just one big lie

Don't try to turn this into a US vs World debate. For every stupid and pointlessly restrictive law in the US, I can find one in Europe or Japan or wherever. Politicians love to make stupid laws. Its what they get paid to do.



SL isn't a world, its not a nation, its not a country. Its a collection of web servers in the united states. Nothing more, ultimately. That you think it should be exempt from US and international law is your failing, not SLs.



Simulated guns, simulated crime. Piracy isn't simulated. Gambling isn't simulated. It is what it is.

I'm very sorry but that is just bogus. Second life is sold that way. You can build
everythingyou want. I never saw something that said "except a casino".
Yes since yesterday but not when i bought this product. Is there something else I can't build? Please tell me now and not in a few months.

Although I've always thought of gambling as a bleh thing, my only hope is that doesn't dent the economy harshly. We're already in a land market slowdown and SL is notorious for having very few career/investment paths available. So, in context, this could cause the stable Linden dollar to fall dramatically; as casinos usually buy and sell big blocks of cash.

My hope is that SL will remain flexible and will simply adapt to the new restrictions. Since the law only forbids wagering, I'm sure that other games/methods will appear to continue the gaming market.

Good to hear we both have a fun time laughing


Can you name me one blaze me off my socks product that i don't already have please! One thing new!


Because you might think i don't search enough, but i guess those innovative persons never have heard of the search function in second life because they are not listed I actually once wanted I was looking for a scripter to make a RL sports game. Have been looking a long time, have been asking and been directed to a lot of what where to be called the best scripters and have been told it was to difficult.

So contact me inworld to amaze me and yes you get paid

Here's an idea, everyone that's in the US and against this, vote for Ron Paul in the US Presidential primary. He is completely against the ban on internet gambling. He would work to do away with it, along with a few other useless federal departments. You want freedom and liberty vote for him, if not vote for someone else.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

It really bugs to think that my great grandfather fought the Nazi's in World War 2 in name of freedom and beating faschism. Yet even in an online world you are not free & constantly have liberties and freedoms removed.

What next Lindens ?

To own a gun we will need a Linden gun license ?

Escorts banned ?

Licenses to run nightclubs ?

Whats the next freedom or liberty you want to delete from the SL world & make it more like everyones 1st life which is what we come here to escape from ?

Actually you go on the land, open a packet sniffer, then you go after the ISP hosting the illegal music. DMCA take downs work.

You could buy my new Nikon SL100 digital camera with working flash!

Ok, but seriously. You're telling us that you own all the cool products out there? Or you're saying you've seen them all? You haven't even seen a quarter of the stuff available in Second Life. There's so much out there...and so much coming out every day.