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Jamie Bergman
SL's Largest Distributor
Join date: 17 Feb 2005
Posts: 1,752
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06-08-2006 07:11
From: Jopsy Pendragon Falling L$ value: Not my problem People get stipends: Not my problem You not getting enough USD: Not my problem
Wow, this capitalism thing is much easier than I thought!! Excellent demonstration. My hat is off to you!
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Magnum Serpentine
Registered User
Join date: 20 Nov 2003
Posts: 1,811
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06-08-2006 07:28
From: Jamie Bergman Before it (continues) to kill our economy.
Just Say No to "Free Money".
End Communism! The money we get each week, we paid for. Infact I paid US$225.00 for my 500 a week. And others pay 72 bucks a year. I suggest a visit to the dictionary to find out what free means.
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ReserveBank Division
Senior Member
Join date: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 1,408
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06-08-2006 07:58
From: Sergeant Benton Investing in anything in SL, whether by buying currency or investing time and effort, is exactly the same as investing in a foreign country with its own economy, exchange rate, laws, tax policy, and so forth. It is not locked to the US economy (such as Bermuda), but is freely floating based on perceived value.
Any attempt to manipulate a floating exchange rate is highly unlikely to succeed, and is more likely to cause chaos and abuse, as the nature of an open market is such that traders will always move to exploit any such intervention. Take a look at the history of the European Exchange Rate Mechanism (ERM) if you dont understand this.
Monetary control can help with inflation, but only up to a certain point. If you make monetary control too tight you stiffle business and people take their investment elsewhere. Squeeze the ordinary contributing consumer players so they have little room for enjoyment and they will go away. Then all the big store owners can have fun selling to each other. Will be a much smaller world. Horay!!! Another believer in that real economics applies to SL... Our numbers are growing...
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ReserveBank Division
Senior Member
Join date: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 1,408
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06-08-2006 08:04
From: Magnum Serpentine The money we get each week, we paid for. Infact I paid US$225.00 for my 500 a week. And others pay 72 bucks a year.
I suggest a visit to the dictionary to find out what free means. If you "Paid" for your L$500 Stipend, then why is new money being printed and handed out to residents? Paying for your stipend would mean that a fraction of youre US$72 was used to buy L$500 off LindenX. What you paid for is the privilege to receive newly printed linden dollars at zero market cost. This scenerio is causing the money supply to increase and reduce the purchasing power of the Linden Dollar. Visible on LindenX as declining valuation.
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Ranma Tardis
沖縄弛緩の明確で青い水
Join date: 8 Nov 2005
Posts: 1,415
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06-08-2006 08:21
From: ReserveBank Division If you "Paid" for your L$500 Stipend, then why is new money being printed and handed out to residents? Paying for your stipend would mean that a fraction of youre US$72 was used to buy L$500 off LindenX. What you paid for is the privilege to receive newly printed linden dollars at zero market cost. This scenerio is causing the money supply to increase and reduce the purchasing power of the Linden Dollar. Visible on LindenX as declining valuation. Ask Linden Labs! Also if you dont like it leave!!! How about becoming a day trader in real money like dollars or yen? It is not the premium members problem that Linden labs just prints Lindens are required. Oh, I am still refusing to buy Lindens and need a new house for my 512 lot. My current ones are too large and the free ones are prim wasters. I will have to be patience and wait until next tuesday 
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Jopsy Pendragon
Perpetual Outsider
Join date: 15 Jan 2004
Posts: 1,906
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06-08-2006 08:28
From: ReserveBank Division If you "Paid" for your L$500 Stipend, then why is new money being printed and handed out to residents? Paying for your stipend would mean that a fraction of youre US$72 was used to buy L$500 off LindenX. What you paid for is the privilege to receive newly printed linden dollars at zero market cost. This scenerio is causing the money supply to increase and reduce the purchasing power of the Linden Dollar. Visible on LindenX as declining valuation. He paid for his lifetime account which promises L$500 a week for life. Your beef is that LINDEN LAB didn't pay for the stipends they hand out. Trying to get your point across by mangling the definition of the word 'paid' is more of a trolling tactic than a debate or pesuasion tactic. Do you want your point to get across? Or do you want to cause Jonas's post number to increase? 
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Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
Join date: 27 Dec 2005
Posts: 3,660
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06-08-2006 09:56
From: Jopsy Pendragon He paid for his lifetime account which promises L$500 a week for life. Your beef is that LINDEN LAB didn't pay for the stipends they hand out. Trying to get your point across by mangling the definition of the word 'paid' is more of a trolling tactic than a debate or pesuasion tactic. Do you want your point to get across? Or do you want to cause Jonas's post number to increase?  Silly Jopsy, I ignore the troll.
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Seigmancer Nino
Builder, Engineer
Join date: 24 May 2005
Posts: 150
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06-08-2006 09:59
From: Jamie Bergman Yes, that was a very wise move by King Philip. Contrary to popular belief there is NO free lunch.
Somebody always pays.
Always. Like all the poor newbies who bought your free crap, only to realise Yadni or somewhere else has it for free.
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
Posts: 7,141
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06-08-2006 10:50
From: Lewis Nerd Actually I rather wish you were in my back yard.
My rottweiler is bored and hungry.
Lewis LOL!
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ReserveBank Division
Senior Member
Join date: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 1,408
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06-08-2006 11:21
From: Ranma Tardis Ask Linden Labs! Also if you dont like it leave!!! How about becoming a day trader in real money like dollars or yen? It is not the premium members problem that Linden labs just prints Lindens are required. Oh, I am still refusing to buy Lindens and need a new house for my 512 lot. My current ones are too large and the free ones are prim wasters. I will have to be patience and wait until next tuesday  I'm not going anywhere.. You can't change things from the outside. I'm going to remain an insider and keep pushing for change.. If you don't like it, leave.
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Ranma Tardis
沖縄弛緩の明確で青い水
Join date: 8 Nov 2005
Posts: 1,415
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06-08-2006 11:28
From: ReserveBank Division I'm not going anywhere.. You can't change things from the outside. I'm going to remain an insider and keep pushing for change.. If you don't like it, leave. You are the one with the problem not me  I am happy with how things are run now, you are the one that want the change.
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Jamie Bergman
SL's Largest Distributor
Join date: 17 Feb 2005
Posts: 1,752
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06-08-2006 12:16
From: Seigmancer Nino Like all the poor newbies who bought your free crap, only to realise Yadni or somewhere else has it for free. blah blah blah....nobody is listening or cares. 
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
Posts: 4,418
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06-08-2006 14:06
From: Jamie Bergman blah blah blah....nobody is listening or cares.  Exactly. So, you can quit posting now, thanks.
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Dmitri Polonsky
Registered User
Join date: 26 Aug 2005
Posts: 562
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06-08-2006 15:09
From: Jamie Bergman Yes, that was a very wise move by King Philip. Contrary to popular belief there is NO free lunch. Somebody always pays. Always. there is no free lunch....unles of course you're SL's largest freebie reselling shark living off the work of others because you can't create anything but false panic.
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Dmitri Polonsky
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Join date: 26 Aug 2005
Posts: 562
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06-08-2006 15:10
From: ReserveBank Division I'm not going anywhere.. You can't change things from the outside. I'm going to remain an insider and keep pushing for change.. If you don't like it, leave. That's a crying shame Jamie..I mean Cheyene..I mean RBD.
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Logan Bauer
Inept Adept
Join date: 13 Jun 2004
Posts: 2,237
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06-08-2006 15:24
From: Dmitri Polonsky That's a crying shame Jamie..I mean Cheyene..I mean RBD. I must be the only one who remembers GiveMe Liberty...
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Jamie Bergman
SL's Largest Distributor
Join date: 17 Feb 2005
Posts: 1,752
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06-08-2006 17:01
From: Logan Bauer I must be the only one who remembers GiveMe Liberty... Who he?
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Weedy Herbst
Too many parameters
Join date: 5 Aug 2004
Posts: 2,255
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06-08-2006 17:14
People pay for their stipend. It's a contract between residents and LL.
That's capitalism.
Taking it away is communism. Jamie is advocating communism, not capitalism.
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Star Sleestak
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Join date: 3 Feb 2006
Posts: 228
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06-08-2006 23:01
From: Lewis Nerd It's the whole "your problem is not my problem" that is the root of all the things that are wrong with the world, both first and second life.
Lewis I refuse to give a rat's behind to those who have sunk thousands of USD into a venture as risky as SL. Not only do you have to build a successful business, but you also have to sell the L$ you earn. All the while, you are paying USD to LL who can poof you like that. Everybody had access to the TOS before investing, everybody knew the risks going in. Now that they are losing money they want LL to bail them out of their bad decisions. People need to realize that for every Donald Trump there were thousands of guys who lost their shirts. And for every Anche Chung there will be thousands who will lose money in SL. It's the nature of capitalism.
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Lewis Nerd
Nerd by name and nature!
Join date: 9 Oct 2005
Posts: 3,431
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06-08-2006 23:55
From: Star Sleestak I refuse to give a rat's behind to those who have sunk thousands of USD into a venture as risky as SL. Me too. Most of it is just greed. In fact, SL often brings out the worst in a person in many different ways. I pay $25 a month for land tier, and quarterly premium. That's what I'm prepared to spend on entertainment in the form of a computer game. When people spend beyond their means and abilities, then their priorities change. Second Life can be very much like a casino - with all the big flashing lights, it seems very attractive, and that next spin might just be the one that gives me the big money... or the one after that... or the next... When people lose sight of the fact that this is a computer game and entertainment, then I believe they've lost the whole point of why they're here - and so much of the pleasure to be had. I saw a TV programme the other day on the UK's biggest spenders. They had everything they could ever want materially, cars, houses, yachts, helicopters, rolex watches, the lot. But do you know one thing I noticed about them all? They were single. Every one of them. People only came after them for their money. The one thing every person craves - to be loved, cared for, appreciated, accepted as a person - eluded them, and I just found that rather sad. Goes to show that money is not the answer to everything. Lewis
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Paulismyname Bunin
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Join date: 29 Nov 2005
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06-09-2006 03:09
From: Lewis Nerd Me too. Most of it is just greed. In fact, SL often brings out the worst in a person in many different ways.
I pay $25 a month for land tier, and quarterly premium. That's what I'm prepared to spend on entertainment in the form of a computer game.
When people spend beyond their means and abilities, then their priorities change. Second Life can be very much like a casino - with all the big flashing lights, it seems very attractive, and that next spin might just be the one that gives me the big money... or the one after that... or the next...
When people lose sight of the fact that this is a computer game and entertainment, then I believe they've lost the whole point of why they're here - and so much of the pleasure to be had.
I saw a TV programme the other day on the UK's biggest spenders. They had everything they could ever want materially, cars, houses, yachts, helicopters, rolex watches, the lot. But do you know one thing I noticed about them all? They were single. Every one of them. People only came after them for their money. The one thing every person craves - to be loved, cared for, appreciated, accepted as a person - eluded them, and I just found that rather sad. Goes to show that money is not the answer to everything.
Lewis I do not disagree with most of that Lewis. In my day job I am seeing the breakdown of traditional values such as family networks, respect for older people, education, marriage, responsible behaviour with money, drug and other addiction problems, you know all those things that are derided by typical Californian/Metro-social liberal attitudes. What replaces it is a type of moral and social desert where everybody only thinks of themselves and their instant gratification of all desires. In my opinion it leads to a breakdown of law and order and the basic structure of society PS, quite a genuine post rant over
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Lewis Nerd
Nerd by name and nature!
Join date: 9 Oct 2005
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06-09-2006 03:44
From: Paulismyname Bunin What replaces it is a type of moral and social desert where everybody only thinks of themselves and their instant gratification of all desires. And you know the really funny thing about all that? Some of the bigmouths in this forum promoting the 'benefits' of capitalism will change their tune very rapidly when they suddenly find themselves trampled underfoot by people pursuing the same goals as they are, only with more determination and ruthlessness. Then what happens when their world comes crashing down around them, because it was unsustainable in the first place? I remember when it happened in the 1990's, and it'll happen again and again until people realise that working together is the only way to be successful and happy. Lewis
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Jamie Bergman
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Join date: 17 Feb 2005
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06-09-2006 07:02
From: Lewis Nerd I saw a TV programme the other day on the UK's biggest spenders. They had everything they could ever want materially, cars, houses, yachts, helicopters, rolex watches, the lot. But do you know one thing I noticed about them all? They were single. Every one of them.
They're probably single by choice. If they are men, no doubt they don't want to get tied down but prefer to sow their wild oats among the beautiful women of the world.
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Jamie Bergman
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06-09-2006 07:04
From: Paulismyname Bunin
What replaces it is a type of moral and social desert where everybody only thinks of themselves and their instant gratification of all desires.
Hello! Capitalism. Protestant Work Ethic. Definition of.
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Lewis Nerd
Nerd by name and nature!
Join date: 9 Oct 2005
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06-09-2006 07:08
From: Jamie Bergman They're probably single by choice. If they are men, no doubt they don't want to get tied down but prefer to sow their wild oats among the beautiful women of the world. There were men and women amongst them, and many of them said that they wished people would love them for what they are instead of wanting them for their money. I'm not sure what you define as a 'beautiful woman' but several of them, having spent huge amounts of money on plastic surgery, I wouldn't touch with a prim penis let alone my own. Are you in game? I'd love to see your store, because I've never manged to found it. Lewis
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