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Wilhelm Neumann
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06-07-2006 12:30
From: Jamie Bergman
"Whining" to the central government (as you put it) to end welfare is hardly the same as "whining" to the central government to help establish a stable economy. Especially when it IS the social programs causing the economic instability.


LOL if this were communism they would have sent you to their virtual equivalent of the gulag long ago to live out your life with the rest of your friends where your vocalism would not infect the masses

hint hint

in a communist society no one has an opinion except that which is handed out on the little brochure..
stray from it and get exiled

actualy that might be a good idea we have cornfields for those who commit white collar offenses and since LL or SL or whatever is apperently communist i call for the czar of LL to create a gulag of frozen barren wasteland to plop you into

then we can talk about communism..

meanwhile back at the ranch the right wingers and right right wingers can debate with their own free will to those who are center and those left of center (or somewhere in between) :D

(to much coffee i am innocent! i blame coffee for this post!)
Musuko Massiel
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Join date: 4 Nov 2005
Posts: 435
06-07-2006 12:31
"America is a pretty good example of a Capitalist country, even though we do have some nasty social programs like Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security."

You must love American private healthcare. I mean, isn't it just really great that half of all American bankrupcies are caused by medical costs? Isn't that just swell?

Isn't it great that you spend more on healthcare per person than anyone else:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_hea_car_fun_tot_per_cap-care-funding-total-per-capita

Yet you have an average life expectancy shorter than Cuba...and just look at all those other "socialist" countries above the States in the list:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_lif_exp_at_bir_yea_tot_pop-expectancy-birth-years-total-population

And just look how few hospital beds per person you have:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_hos_bed-health-hospital-beds

And...yay for obesity! USA No 1! You win at something!

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity

In any case, universal healthcare and social security are socialist systems, not communist, and there are only two developed nations that do not have universal healthcare: The Republic of South Africa, and The United States of America. Congratulations America...you're on a par with South Africa.

Anyhoo...not the right forum section for that convo.

Musuko.
Wilhelm Neumann
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06-07-2006 12:32
From: vivi Odets


Realizing that there are people in this world who think this way actually makes me very sad. Feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, caring for the ill, providing equitable education -- tossing those issues aside as "not my problem" is a pitiful attitude. I just feel sorry for you if your heart is that hard.


if he is really like this in real life i would imagine he is considered a redneck carries a shotgun and checks everyones genepools before they go out with his kids...

(again i blame coffee for this post..)
Rasah Tigereye
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06-07-2006 12:36
From: vivi Odets
Realizing that there are people in this world who think this way actually makes me very sad. Feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, caring for the ill, providing equitable education -- tossing those issues aside as "not my problem" is a pitiful attitude. I just feel sorry for you if your heart is that hard.



I don't think it's even as simply as "apathy versus compassion." To me it's always (or.. um.. until I learned more about it) been a balancing issue of keeping both sides happy, or at least content, so that neither ends up gragging the other one down. As in communists don't drag everyone down by killing productivity through apathy, and capitalists don't grag everyone down by turning this into a backstabbing, everyone for themselves, screw morale type of a thing.
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Allana Dion
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06-07-2006 16:34
http://sleconomyblog.blogspot.com/

From: someone
About Me
Name:Jamie Bergman
I am SecondLife's leading economic mind. I decided to found my own blog because so many people would always approach me and ask for guidance. Through this blog, the entire world can know my thoughts and ideas as they materialize!


*nearly falls out of chair laughing, shuts off computer and wanders away from all this for awhile*
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Jonas Pierterson
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06-07-2006 16:40
Can't really be SL's leading economic mind if you can't grasp people have paid for their premium stipends with their subscriptions. :)
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Jessica Elytis
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06-07-2006 17:28
From: Allana Dion
http://sleconomyblog.blogspot.com/



*nearly falls out of chair laughing, shuts off computer and wanders away from all this for awhile*


PPFFFFFFTTTT!!!

*wipes off monitor hurriedly*

Oh thanks, Allana!!! *sighs* Now I have to clean my computer desk again......

I've actually sat and read a lot of Jamie's posts (more for the replies most times. quite entertaining ^.^) and she does come up with some very good points. The way the majority of the points are presented however, moves her opinion inot the realm of being taken as a fool. Same as another poster commonly revered to by his three initials.

The point is that no matter how much these two person know, or don't know, is irrelivant anymore. The people who frequent the L&E forums and follow the economy of SL concider them both to be fools. They -may- have great insight, but , as I said, it no longer matters.

I'll leave you all to that and the sure-to-be-amusing replies that will surely follow to slam me for "daring" to call the "leading economic minds" a bunch of fools.

~Jessy
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Juro Kothari
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06-07-2006 17:43
From: Jamie Bergman

LL is giving away fake money that depresses its value. Thats why its Communism. I'm funding other people's laziness. It goes against every Capitalist bone in my body.

Yes, let's talk about LAZINESS, shall we, Jamie?

I'll tell you what REAL laziness is: people who have no skills and, in order to make a quick buck, collect items that were created - with the intent being and remaining FREE - and put them up for sale.

That's the ultimate in SL laziness. Freebie Resellers.

Oh, btw - how's that shop of yours coming along?
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mcgeeb Gupte
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06-07-2006 18:10
From: Juro Kothari
Yes, let's talk about LAZINESS, shall we, Jamie?

I'll tell you what REAL laziness is: people who have no skills and, in order to make a quick buck, collect items that were created - with the intent being and remaining FREE - and put them up for sale.

That's the ultimate in SL laziness. Freebie Resellers.

Oh, btw - how's that shop of yours coming along?


Before she answers on her own I'll answer for her:

Capitalism

LOL
Jamie Bergman
SL's Largest Distributor
Join date: 17 Feb 2005
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06-07-2006 18:30
From: Juro Kothari

Oh, btw - how's that shop of yours coming along?


It amazes me that this type of talk never gets old to anyone. Its almost as tiring as my continued L$ postings are for some, I suppose.
Juro Kothari
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06-07-2006 19:02
From: Jamie Bergman
It amazes me that this type of talk never gets old to anyone. Its almost as tiring as my continued L$ postings are for some, I suppose.

Ya think?

I tell ya what... I'll stop bringing up your bottom-feeder type 'capitalist' moves if you quit posting on the forums.

Oh, and another thing Jamie: if you didn't want this 'type' of talk, you REALLY should've considered that prior to trying to pawn off freebies to unsuspecting residents. I'm sure that just elevated you and your opinions in thier minds.
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Jamie Bergman
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06-07-2006 19:12
From: Juro Kothari
Ya think?

I tell ya what... I'll stop bringing up your bottom-feeder type 'capitalist' moves if you quit posting on the forums.

Oh, and another thing Jamie: if you didn't want this 'type' of talk, you REALLY should've considered that prior to trying to pawn off freebies to unsuspecting residents. I'm sure that just elevated you and your opinions in thier minds.


I have no idea what you mean by freebies. I am in the distribution business.
Juro Kothari
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06-07-2006 19:13
From: Jamie Bergman
I have no idea what you mean by freebies. I am in the distribution business.

Oh, is that what you're calling it now? Duly noted.
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Ranma Tardis
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Join date: 8 Nov 2005
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06-07-2006 19:44
From: Jamie Bergman
I have no idea what you mean by freebies. I am in the distribution business.


Amazing the ability to call one thing something very different. Very remarkable!
Allana Dion
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Join date: 12 Jul 2005
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06-07-2006 19:45
From: Jamie Bergman
I have no idea what you mean by freebies. I am in the distribution business.


So do you drop by the local charities, pick up some hunks of government cheese to cut them into cubes and sell them to people in the street too? Oh I'm sorry... "distribute" them. :rolleyes:
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Jamie Bergman
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06-07-2006 20:06
From: Allana Dion
So do you drop by the local charities, pick up some hunks of government cheese to cut them into cubes and sell them to people in the street too? Oh I'm sorry... "distribute" them. :rolleyes:


I can't get into the specifics of the business with you, unfortunately.

Confidentiality agreements and all.
Allana Dion
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06-07-2006 20:21
From: Jamie Bergman
I can't get into the specifics of the business with you, unfortunately.

Confidentiality agreements and all.


Again you prove my theory that you are full of crap and merely here to troll. It is not the economics that interest you most, it's the insults and responses you're getting off on while playing your little role.
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Jopsy Pendragon
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06-07-2006 22:12
Falling L$ value: Not my problem
People get stipends: Not my problem
You not getting enough USD: Not my problem


Wow, this capitalism thing is much easier than I thought!!
Star Sleestak
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Join date: 3 Feb 2006
Posts: 228
06-07-2006 22:50
From: Jamie Bergman
Quick Primer on Communism v. Capitalism

Communism:
Homeless people: Your problem
Social Security: Your problem
Universal Health Coverage: Your problem
Universal Education Coverage: Your problem
Lazy Workers: Your problem
One Party State: Your problem
Unproductive Members of Society: Your problem
Feeding Everyone: Your problem

Capitalism:
Homeless people: Not Your problem
Social Security: Not Your problem
Universal Health Coverage: Not Your problem
Universal Education Coverage: Not Your problem
Lazy Workers: Not Your problem
One Party State: Not Your problem
Unproductive Members of Society: Not Your problem
Feeding Everyone: Not Your problem

See why it makes sense to be Capitalist now?



People invest serious money into risky ventures and lose: Not my problem.
Nolan Nash
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Join date: 15 May 2003
Posts: 7,141
06-08-2006 01:32
From: Jamie Bergman
the elimination of welfare was one of the triumphs of Republican policy

Eh, Ginrich and the rest compromised with Clinton. Let's remember that the president who signed into existence the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act was a democrat.

Let's remember that welfare wasn't "eliminated", it was reformed.

You live in a fantasy world kiddo. As someone else posted, pure a purely capitalistic democracy is not possible. You really need a common sense injection. I am going to hazard a guess that you're quite young, hence the naivete. That's not to say all young people are not very wordly - but in your case... well.. let's just say "you gotta lotta larnin' ta do missy."

I'm not even going to bother to comment on the rest of that whack you posted, because it would be a waste of time. You would just repeat the same parroting-your-daddy, nonsensical drivel.

People post, pretending to be something they're not, and make fools of themselves constantly: Not my problem.
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Lewis Nerd
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06-08-2006 03:03
From: Star Sleestak
People invest serious money into risky ventures and lose: Not my problem.


It's the whole "your problem is not my problem" that is the root of all the things that are wrong with the world, both first and second life.

Lewis
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ReserveBank Division
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06-08-2006 03:23
From: Lewis Nerd
It's the whole "your problem is not my problem" that is the root of all the things that are wrong with the world, both first and second life.

Lewis



I rather be a NIMBY (Not In MY Back Yard).
Must be a Generation thing. Old hippies are clueless on how
the modern world works.
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Sergeant Benton
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Foreign Investments
06-08-2006 03:45
Investing in anything in SL, whether by buying currency or investing time and effort, is exactly the same as investing in a foreign country with its own economy, exchange rate, laws, tax policy, and so forth. It is not locked to the US economy (such as Bermuda), but is freely floating based on perceived value.

Any attempt to manipulate a floating exchange rate is highly unlikely to succeed, and is more likely to cause chaos and abuse, as the nature of an open market is such that traders will always move to exploit any such intervention. Take a look at the history of the European Exchange Rate Mechanism (ERM) if you dont understand this.

Monetary control can help with inflation, but only up to a certain point. If you make monetary control too tight you stiffle business and people take their investment elsewhere. Squeeze the ordinary contributing consumer players so they have little room for enjoyment and they will go away. Then all the big store owners can have fun selling to each other. Will be a much smaller world.
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06-08-2006 03:58
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Lewis Nerd
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06-08-2006 03:59
From: ReserveBank Division
I rather be a NIMBY (Not In MY Back Yard).


Actually I rather wish you were in my back yard.

My rottweiler is bored and hungry.

Lewis
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