Help stop the L$ from dropping, stop premium account allowances!

Well said !
So you'll stop crying from now ?

That is so Linden Labs can change the TOS, But they cant force me to accept the new TOS. If they drop my stipend, I will sell or drop my land and become a basic resident. I am not the only resident who will do this. Remember the word deflation, Your "land" is only worth money if someone wants to pay you for it.

About losing my money for droping my land, big deal I spend a lot more going out to eat with my Husband. It is not a big deal.

I rent some land and hang out there, and play games with physics and gravity. I've got half a dozen vendors in my airstrip at +500m. There's, let's see, maybe 30 or 40 prims total spent on "commerce", the rest is stuff I've built for my friends, neighbors, and myself to enjoy directly.

I deliberately sunk my land so that people on the two island sims can sail over it, and there's three "guest" sailboats for folks to sail around if they don't have their own.

I'm sorry about whatever's making you so upset.

Hope things get better for you in the future.

'Wild ideas' ... like me being a socialist.

And judging from the fact he only included what Siggy quoted, I would appear to be in his ignore filter. I'm so deeply wounded. Guess he couldn't be bothered to actually contradict any of my posts with anything even remotely based on logic.

Socialism:
"... systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy."

"a political theory advocating state ownership of industry"

I guess 'socialist' is what we should call every citizen of realms where all content is produced solely by the city-state/company that owns the realm. (which would be most MMORPG except SecondLife)

I prefer the illusion that I can create and control my own content thank you.

You create and control what you are allowed by The Man...
Your rope isn't that long. Don't be fooled.

another piece of good advice Reserve..

'don't be fooled'

'reading your own propoganda'

amongst others.. all your quotes

take your own advice and quit listening to yourself

And 'the man' is Linden Lab I guess - A buisness - a capitalistic venture.. you should laud them in their efforts.. its obvious thier venture is working well.

Creating an escape from capitalism as a capitalisitic venture - brilliant!.

Ah, you can 'see' me!

I am quite aware that I'm playing with virtual atoms in a reality that is completely owned and operated by Linden Labs. At any time everything I have in their world could vanish, go public or be corrupted.

Is it in Linden Labs' best interests to perpetuate the illusion of individual control and ownership within their world? Sure. Would they benefit more by disabusing us of that notion? Unlikely.

Do bugs, accidents and exploits violate our illusionary ownership? Sure.

Does Linden Labs deliberately violate their promise to respect our individual creative rights? When they feel it is necessary for their best interests... I've no doubt they do. Call me a fool for hoping that they don't blithely undertake such Machiavellian actions without serious consideration first.

Some day there will be something like an open grid SecondLife where I can host my content on my disks using my bandwidth just like people run their own web servers these days. We're not there yet. The world of SecondLife is, despite it's flaws and benefits, a very good step in that direction though.

Anyway, thanks for actually replying to me even if you did kind of miss what I meant.

Sorry..but I have Premium account. But I cant afford Land..or anything else other than what I carry on me. Im not rich..I need that extra 2k a month.


So..I say..let it stay.


We aint all rich here!


*my two cents*

Those of with premium accounts pay monthly dues and land tiers where as the free acount pays nothing....if you want more money weekly, go premium. Premium accounts need money too. Nothing justifies lowering premium to those of you on a free ride!!

hahahahah.. Telling people you "Pay" for Stipends
is the biggest propaganda I've seen..

You even have a handful of minions reaping your
lies. Damn, you've got a well oiled machine over
there.. I need to fire my staff and hire some
brainless nitwits to repeat everything I said.

Gosh it sucks to have intelligent people on myside.
They just have too many brain cells to repeat the lie
"I Pay For My Stipend".

Somebody has to mop the floors....

Theres nothing like good and intelligent facts, data, and discourse to support a theory

And this is nothing like good and intelligent facts, data, and discourse..

Just the usual old 'well it's this way because I say so.. and your stupid' argument we've all come to know and love

The Pot calling the Kettle Black.

Thanks for sharing your economic data Siggy,
your 14 pages of blankness has impressed me.

So like I was saying before I was interupted by
the peanut gallery...

But this is exactly the fact you forget ReserveBank. In RL capitalism you get people at the bottom of the economy doing this kind of job. In SL, however, they just leave. The stipend is not welfare, for exactly that reason.

Just as in the history books, when the economies of nations
fail, people leave. Unless there is a welfare system which keeps
money in the pockets of the citizens to keep them.

A perfect example is (Mexico). A falling economy is causing
Mexicians to swim the Rio Grande (ie: Leaving Mexico). If Mexico
created a welfare net, those swimmers would have less incentive
to leave the country, because the Government is taking care of them.
Of course, at the expense of a continued economy decline.

Just as in SL, the "Welfare" net is keeping people around. But at the
same time, destorying the economy in the process with ever increasing
dollars in the Linden Dollar Money Supply.

LMAO, RBD, if people leave sl, it stops growing, and as a business, SL needs to grow.
Your lack of concern over this basic fact, shows just how much business sense and economic savvy you have.



ZERO

How much are you paying people to "mop the floors" in your vast commercial empire in SL?

Have you looked at the membership benefits lately?



Whether they call it allowance or stipend makes no difference. Its PAID FOR by premium. Directly quoted from LL's mouth.

Reserve.. now who looks like the propogandist? The one who agrees with LL on stipend being paid for..or the one saying its welfare?

Although I don't want to agree with ReserveBank I should say that the fact the premium stipend is paid for doesn't make a difference - the problem is that it's still new L$ coming from nowhere. The US$ paid for them immediately leave the SL economy, but the newly minted L$ remain, so the US$ fee doesn't offset devaluation.

But his argument fails because he never addresses the ways money LEAVES the system.

If the Lindens in circulation were a bathtub - he would turn off the faucet and pull the plug.

Watch the pool get smaller and smaller.. which, beleive me, would pretty much smash the economy faster than the unsupported stipend argument.

The one difference being that in such a scenario a currency speculator like ReserveDivision Yellowknife - stands to make a fast buck before it hits the gurgler.

Trust me - this idiot has been pushing greater boneheaded ideas since they first appeared.

I don't care that it comes form nowhere...

I have given two possible alternatives I could agree with..a set amount a month bought from the lindex and broken into stipends a month (making the stipend relative ot market..I suggested 7 us$ worth as middleground between annual and monthly charges.

-or- lower the cost of premium to a level acceptable for just land rights and drop the stipend.

Those would be acceptable..I don't se emany premiums staying premium if they keep charging but drop the stipend.

Would be one of the first to "pull the plug". I would dump my land on the market and then sell my lindens while they were still worth something. Mr Yelloknife would get a big surprise as a lot of residents start droping a lot of land and Lindens on the open market. The values of both would go into the toilet!

He also never addresses the relative strength and weakness of the $US. There's two currencies in play here.

Siggy/Fade:


Yes, Money leaves the system through the various sinks in the game.
What you fail to comprehend is that more money is added to the system
than leaves the system. Creating positive growth in the weekly money
supply. This increasing supply creates supply side demand pressure
on the LindenX. Causing the Linden/US Dollar valuation to decline.

Tell me where I lost you? Assuming you can comprehend english,
economics, and basic math skills.