Help stop the L$ from dropping, stop premium account allowances!

There are two basic questions that answer this problem.

1) How many L$ were in the economy 2 years ago? How many people were in SL 2 years ago? How many L$ are in the economy now? How many people are in SL now?

2) Does the U.S. Government print money? Why?

nonono... i'm just pointing out that ll can't stop giving the premium stipend, because people paid real us$ for it.

so... if people want to whine about the stipend... they should whine about something useful... like the fact that ll could be buying the money from the lindex...

thus subsidizing the lindex traders. omg! linden welfare for the lindex traders!

You didn't pay for your stipends. If you did, then a portion
of your membership fee would be used to buy Lindens off
the Spot Market (LindenX) and then give them to you..

Instead, Linden Labs is just printing new money and giving
it to you. This in no way means you "paid" for your stipends.

i paid ll to print new money.

it's in the agreement.

get over it.

Remainder of illiterate rant snipped -- flunked 9th-grade English, didn't you?

Language is the tool for THINKING, friend -- if your language is sloppy, your thinking is sloppy as well. You are not making any sense at all, which somehow doesn't surprise me.

actually no i graduated. but yes my grammer is quite poor.. but let me guess that effect the economy too huh

and how does that not make sence.. its very simple..

those who dont have much linden are more likey to buy some then those who have more then they know what to do with...

I don't have more linden $ than I know what to do with.

I'm premium.

The two are not exclusive of eachother.

if you want a bigger premium than 50 L a week.. buy a premium account. The basic stipend is intended to encourage the economy and encourage you to buy a premium account...

but weather i upgrade to premuim or stay basic has no hold on in game economy

Here I thought you wanted a bigger stipend? Thats what premiums for.. compeltely seperate issue from the economy

yes your right sorry misread.. been reading how people swear they do more good for the economy then basic user because they spend 10$L i miss read what yu said

Nope, though my stance on basic stipends is odd. i support them, but for a limtied time, say 60-90 days. Thats enough time to decide if you want premium. And enough time to leave, get premium, or rent a shop and run a business.

Exactly.. Inflationary Behavior by Linden Labs...
Piss Poor Monetary Policy...

i say keep it if you look at it at a broad perseption and place it against all the sources of linden coming into play or being tossed into the game the whole 50L stipen is pretty much at the bottom of the food chain as far as its impact effect on the economy is. we all know there bigger fish in the sea that should be fried that would make a greater impact on the economy, and people are always gonna debate or throw something on the choppin block that actually has less effect on them directly..

your not gonna find a club owner who themself owns camping chairs up here talking about how linden to stop the dwell payment.

everyone linden is important to them one way or another may it be to buy content for your avi,land whatever or to make from your business to cash out and for one group of people to claim that there linden is more important or there linden is more deserved then another is insane.

i have actually had a premuim account then downgraded back to a basic i still have my business i still have land that i am renting and still pay close to 80$ a month in land fees..

i can understand someone need to stay basic there still a good amount of griefing going on now a days everyone wants to be an e-thug there a good amound of eye sores when it comes to land the system still got some bugs ad glitches that sometime do have a big effect on diffrent people..

even though some people ike to treat this as a small business venture there are some who do see sl as a leasure(sp) activity after a long day in the rl they come log chat maybe hang out at diffrent places stay probably no longer then and hour or 2 and just dont feel that with the amount of time they spend on the game doesnt warrent them investing 10$ a month to it...

we can agree or disagree bitch moan whine whatever but LL isnt gonna step in and do something about the in game economy unless it effect them directly and well it doesnt as long as people are still paying for premuim accounts, buying island and paying there land fees as long as the amount of money going into LL is still enough to where they arent getting screwed there concern isnt about how much money you can make. cause weather or not your linden is selling for 1$ per L$ or 5$ per l$ you still have to pay your monthly fee you land fees may it be with linden you cashed in or out of your pocket money..

obviously this is what works for LL the basic account and the premuim accounts and there certainly not gonna change there business stratagy because your not making the fincial growth you would like..

secondlife was not created to be a small business platform for the users..

You haven't offered anything better Reserve..and before you repeat your ludicrous suggestions, bear in mind we -don't- want the economy driven into the ground and LL bankrupt..which si the effect your plan would have.

Logic defies you again Reserve.

If I paid for eggs does that mean that the farmer had to buy them from another farmer, or could he have gotten them from chickens?

If I paid for a book, does that mean that the author got the book from some one else, or could he have written it?

If I pay for $L does that mean that Linden Labs has to get them from you, or could they just make them?

Your argument isn't with the receivers of stipends, it's with the way LL goes about getting the $L for those stipends.

Or perhaps they are from another country and English is perhaps their third language, or maybe their forth. How many do you speak, Mr. Thinker? Also, Language is the tool of thinking? No it isn't. It is a RESTRICTION on thinking, that we struggle against daily as humans. Sure, language is a great tool for articulating thought, but thought is certainly not limited to language as it's medium. That claim is absurd, preposterous, pretentious, and very limited. So, imagery doesn't play into thought at all? Sounds? When you dream, do you see a chalkboard with words scrolling across the front? Are you dreaming in english? Can people who speak chinese have the same dreams as those who do not? Can a child not perceive that someone is taller then them because they don;t know the words tall and short? Hogwash. Sophmoric drivel.

Next time you want to attempt to make someone feel small, in order to boost your own self esteem, try coming up with a way to do it that doesn't fly in the face of years of research by the worlds foremost scientists, and their articles on the subject in New England Journel of Medicine.

One of the subjects that has been covered in that, and other respected publications:

Language tends to dissolve over time, to become less precise, and less focused. It degrades into slang, streetspeak, and other less pure forms of the language. Many languages actually die.

If thought was inextricably linked language, wouldn't the same hold true for thought itself? Shouldn't we be worse (less advanced) at thinking, these days, as our language becomes less pure?

When I think, thoughts come in all forms. Sure, plenty of words flash around my brain, so language is one tool for thought, but so do many other forms of thought in the form of imagery, remembered feelings, sounds, current emotions etc... It is never as simple as a few sentences floating by.

So yeah, certain people may not be able to articulate their thoughts to others easily, in the other persons native tounge, but if I was a second year Japanese language student, and I attempted to write a few paragraphs worth of information, I bet I would come across like an autistic sewage tech. Does that mean I can't think straight? That my thinking was sloppy because I couldn't write in japanese? You just might, and you would be dead wrong then, too.

Sorry if this post seems confrontational, but in my relatively short time on the forums, you come across as someone who certainly isn't here to help the community, but someone who is bent on berating others and really just throwing a bunch of bullshit around. I mean, clearly, you have some intellect, but knowledge isn't wisdom.


Now, go ahead and flame me, I have a pretty thick skin, you might even have fun doing it. After that, perhaps try approaching the community in a more positive way and affect REAL change, instead of just busting on people you don't even know.


.M

Nice one, congratulation
+1

Just like all of your other posts, threads, you are asking other residents to lose money to enrich your self! I will NEVER support your proposal, NEVER!!!



On second thought, I would support if they take away dwell income. I would call that fair.

Thats what all the Socialist say to protect their Stipend Welfare....

The SL Economy needs a Capitals Model. If players want L$, they
buy it from other players on LindenX. A preset amount of dollars are
in circulation and that number never grows. Population and Demand
will dictate valuation, without being swapped by weekly inflation from
the Linden Lab Money Tree Machine.

And last, but not least, more commodities will be introduced to
create a basic cost of production. No longer can 10/million copies
of the same widget be created for free. Every widget will end up
with a basic intrinsic value. Dictated by the price of the commodities
used/needed to create it.

Such a world will ensure widget sellers to correctly price their
products to maximize profit. Which is then use to grow and expand.
Poverty stricken AVs will still enjoy all the same freedoms as others,
they will just be limited in their asset accumulation. Richer AVs will
have more and poorer ones will have less..

Also a type of Republic will be created to set policy in-game.
Because issues which effect one group positively, may effect another
negatively. Control will be handed over to The People. Not a distant
Office Space worker in San Francisco.

the amount of L$ in circulation must grow - simply because of the fact that there are ways for them to be taken out of circulation.

Texture/Animation/Sound uploads
L$ Land Auctions
Classifieds
Find Listings

Under your plan I don't see you debating Dwell going either... Nor the above being free... would them being free be some socialist move?

Why does your argument only cover one side of the equation?

L$ Land Auctions would be bad, because it make Linden Labs the
biggest seller of L$ in the game. Obviously there staff doesn't live
on L$. So LL would have to sell servers, collect L$, then sell it on
the LindenX. Of course, that would give them incentive to pay
attention to L$ valuations....

But right now, the amount of sinks to suck out the oversupply
of L$ is worthless...

This makes zero sense. If there is never any new money coming into the economy we will eventually run out of money since there are numerous money sinks in the game. *scratches head* There HAS to be an influx of Lindens for the economy to work.

Second, there used to be cost associated with prims. It clearly wasn't a good idea and didn't work since it's been taken out of the game. Horrible idea.

Third, I spend at least 10 times my premium stipend each week in upload charges and other fees. I know plenty of others on basic accounts who spend almost as much and well above the paltry $L50 they get each week. What the content creators spend each week on uploads and advertising fees offsets much of the stipend that is paid out each week.

Think about it this way.

Suppose that, in the real world as it is now, everyone in the bottom 50% of people by income, all decided to kill themselves. Society would be wrecked - nobody would be providing the essential services anymore, and the population would suddenly be too low to support all the businesses.

Now, in RL, that's not going to happen. But it can happen in SL. In SL, you don't have to put a gun to your head to remove yourself from the economy. You just have to decide not to log on again. If too many people do that, things will go badly wrong. The L$50 stipend is part of ensuring that they don't do that.

I paid for the stipend..so it isn't welfare. that continued statement in and of itself shows your ignorance.

And before you reply there is this fact:

I paid LL for my stipend.

they gave it to me.

THE SOURCE THEY DO IT FROM DOESN'T MATTER, ITS STILL PAID FOR.