White Cube of Death in the New World

Either you

1) zone with Linden support, or

2) crapshoot with the neighbors on your 512/1024/2048/4096 parcel, or buy your own island, or

3) support a wild-blue-yonder solution such as "de-contiguous-izing" the world into discrete parcels.

Which do you want to do?

Ok, I'm sorry I didn't know the build in question belonged to someone who was bugging you.

Kind of like your "blacklist"?

hey Prokofy, can you do something about the ugly "for sale" floating cubes? they reeeally are disgusting and crass, and the owners aren't even there because they are greedy people who buy and sell land for fun and money and don't care if the land they pimp is polluted with uglyness.

I saw the giant white box/cube of death here and JUST HAD TO HAVE ONE! ;0




My baby is apox 200 meters high and 60x90m at the base

I don't know what's worse, the fact that Prok thinks everyone is out to get him or the fact that everyone really does seem to be out to get him.

I'm only out to get you blaze baby!

Needs more bling... or sheep.

That's a good post, Jessica.

What I am trying to do here is establish that a person who pays tier, maybe even more than that big corporate guy who is sitting only on a 4096 at the end of the day (I owned 1024 in the sim and was scaref off purcashing another 512), should get respecct.

If I don't have it all in one place, if Idon't have some successful monster telecom business, if I"m not a telecom king, and don't hire megabuilders and build huge towers, I'm still *somebody*, no? It's more that I'm just striving for parity here. I'm trying to say that these megabuilders out to slam and malign me (and there's a backstory there as you can see) may think that they are more important to SL than me, they may think that I "damage" SL and don't "contribut" to SL, but at the end of the day I ask two things: a) what is "SL" that you can "damage" it when it is so big and impermeable (or should be)? and b) who the hell are they?

And I don't insist on my look being what dominates a sim. Tiki might be tacky. I personally might not chose a Tiki Tacky look for my own home, but I know it rents and it is liked by some and I respect that.

Towers also have a right to exist, and do exist.

What I'm trying to do with this thread is two things:

1) Stop malicious slander from someone with baggage -- it has no basis in reality, and must stop, and those who sponsor it from a construction site must do everything in their power to stop it (and I'm being assured that they are doing that)

2) Use this occasion which was unprovoked (I accidently stumbled on proof of a maligner and slanderer of me in this builder), I decided that it was also time to look at the larger issue of the same old goddman fuckyou hedonist type of activities in the new world just like the old. It is just so sick.

The Lindens make a whole new continent. They hype it with a legend. They scatter a dozen builds around it, some very well done and very intriguing. Some beg to have residential, some beg to have industrial, some beg to have weird/experimental, some beg to have club. This is like a tiny suggestion, a little footnote, a little sign. They wouldn't go so far as to say "make this residential," though believe me, if the Lindens said tomorrow, you know, this sim we are rolling out tomorrow is residential only, and you towers please wait for our city sim coming next Thursday, and you clubs, please wait for our clubs sim on the following Monday," TRUST ME this would go SO FAR in helping the friction in SL!!!!!!

Just a setting of the tone!

If only a combination of just a little nudge from Lindens in the naming of a zone (not even enforcing), and a little work from players (not to love each other and set up a government but just decide on an overarching zone), we could end 9/10 of the friction of SL.

Say that no ugly towers and grief builds or stupid clubs should go next to the lovely walkways and waterfall. Say ugly clubs and towers come next to the planecrash. I'm surprised all the asshats and asswipes didn't grab that spot in order to make their sick 9/11 crap. In fact that's one of the unconscious reasons I bought that spot so it wouldn't go that way. And I can't vouch for the other lots there that it won't be grabbed by the sick.

So many people were willing to kvetch and kvell about the ruination of pretty sims -- look at all those posts pre-roll out! Look at them!

Where are those people now, that it comes time to PAY FOR the sim and UPKEEP it. Hmmm? And that's what I mean by respecting people who DO pay tier and DO work, and not handing it all off to a 4096 owner with a vanity complex.

While I also find photos of hair-dryer weilding bandits slightly humorous; please do not spam the Land and Economy Forums with unrelated photos.

That having been said, personal attacks have been flying a tad bit freely lately, please remember to have respect for your fellow Second Life Residents when discussing heated topics.

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What??!! Wait.. so, Prokofy.. this whole thread wasn't really about a skyscraper? It was really about some people who have it out for you and thier nasty deeds? If so, why not just make it about that instead of dragging in a debate about the merits of skyscrapers?

Great cats, I'm confused.

splat1... what did Jeska just say?

I do not have a blacklist. A blacklist is something that would be black, and hidden, and kept like some sort of secretive weapon for blackmail somewhere.

I don't have anything like that because I'm open about these mattrs.

On the forums, when someone attacks me with some crap, if it turns out they've also engaged in deceitful business practices and attempted to defraud me or whatever, or have harmed other players by stealing from them, I say "Hey, you go on my Users and Losers list". And if someone contemplating a project or investment in the game comes to me and says, hey, should I deal with this person, and they turn out to be a habitual User and Loser, they don't get a pass from me, no. And that doesn't mean somebody late with their rent, or somebody who just doesn't take a lot. That doesn't matter. There are normal dealings and normal concerns. I mean someone habitually, systematically lying and cheating.

This is a list of people for whom I simply never again do any special favours. They are not banned. They are not barred from renting or buying. I don't create walls in the game. Instead, I tell them to their face, openly, that they have Used and therefore they are the Losers for having done so. Go over to study "New Products" thread if you think I am wrong about these matters.

What's different about me is that I discuss these things openly, whereas others practice them in secret and behave like mafias.

I advocate a publicly accessible in-game Better Business Bureau where players with respect and tools respected by consensus investigate allegations of poor, fraudulent, and malicious/destructive business practices and work to end them.

The TOS don't say you can't ruin someone else's business reputation with slanderous lies.
The TOS don't say you can't sell a poke game for $50,000 when inside there is only a $25,000 table.
The TOS doesn't say thou shall not come back on alts and continue griefing.
The TOS doesn't say thou shalt not build an obnoxious griefer tower to harass someone who is building a tower for legitimate business.

But by God, any Better Business Bureau that I back better do all those things and MORE.

Juro: I'd have rather talked about skyscrapers. Most of us would, I think.

Torley: C'mon, now, I get the metaphorical allusions between skyscrapers wiping out views and Gary Coleman as Luke Skywhacker. Barely.

They go together like salt and pepper shakers.

The people who have it in for me used their skyscraper construction site as a platform from which to harass me, and to spread slander to newbies, and p.s., then overshadowed newb Tiki with their menacing tower.

I want people to think more about all of these topics and they all go together.

Buildings aren't just about architecture and architects don't get to be king in a game where a lowly newb 512 owner in a Tiki hut has as much rights as a telecom king in a vanity tower. That is what is being equal before the law. Property rights are not enforced here. The Lindens care not a whit about marking up the water out in that bay, and making it possible for more asshats to put out even more towers out in the bay. The Lindens make it possible in every way that these megabuilders and architects and big busineses are feted and cosseted.

If they want more and more and more little customers with Tiki huts to come in this game, by God they have to stop letting the towers win every single damn time, especially in a brand new Continent, especially when those builders just got done arrogantly telling us in picture threds and new continent threads what arses we all are for our "clutter" and our "mediocrity" in this "pristine wilderness". Such hypocrisy, they should be ashamed! For shame!

Sorry Prok, it aint happening. 6 months of advocating this has gotten nowhere.

I don't know how good your building skills are, but I will volunteer to build you a brick wall to beat your head against...no charge

The squeaky wheel does not get the grease. It gets thrown in the trash.

So I guess we could say this is a case of Tiki Wacky vs Techi Wiki?

Siggy.

Earth to Lindens, Earth to Lindens, can you see what I mean about the FIC and how they hinder progress in the game by slamming people's ideas because it would harm their "eminent domain"?

I don't face a brick wall, Weedy, YOU do.

Well, the debate is fun. And I an interested in constructive coversations reagrding the land use problem. Yet always this seems to boil down into "you did/I didn't" sort of discussion. There really is a issue of personal enjoyment of our own property here. My solution was to build on the mountainside where I at least know my downward view will remain unspoiled.

I do not actually understand why these land forums seem to deteriorate into attacking Prokofy. Or attacking anyone for that matter. Its a discussion. We are all here throwing out ideas and opinions that might promote some thought. You don't win. You just argue and let the issue run its course.

So should it be allright to build a massive tower in the middle of smaller residential plots?

Well, Prok doesn't help matters by attacking back.

Hopefully, eventually, he'll learn to simply ignore the rabble. Personally, I think he's an extremely valuable contributor but it's hampered by his inability to rise above the personalization of the issues.

I don't understand Prokofy..

Here's what I got from this thread:

1. Someone doesn't like you.
2. You suspect they built a high-rise to ruin your business.
3. High-rises are bad.
4. People should not be allowed to build thier dream build if it upsets the neighbors.
5. Anyone who builds a highrise where there are no others is doing an injustice to everyone and probably trying to extort money/land from the neighbors.
6. FIC are keeping progress from happening.
7. FIC is using 'eminent domain'. (for what, I dunno)

Prokofy.. I'm feeling particularly dense today so -for me- could you boil down your idea to a sentence or two? Is it that you want some zoning regulations?

As it stands now, yes. I don't mind a highrise anywhere in SL. What I mind are crappy builds. Massive towers do not automatically fall into that category.

Boo Hoo, I have no worries about you or your twisted version of "eminent domain". It ain't happening.

Dream on Proky, spend another 6 months beating this dead horse issue for all I care. I get a good laugh on you on a regular basis. Hell, I would have quit a long time ago had I not had so much fun with your long winded tirades.

I bet you go through a keyboard a week, don't you? Almost as many monitors as I go through spraying Coke upon, laughing along with your critics.

Eminent domain implies that someone has the right to take your land from you, and then compensate you for the land with market rates.

Is that happening now? I thought we were talking about "Teh Shadoe Gubment" and skyscrapers.

LF