White Cube of Death in the New World

Heh heh, excellent answer!

Wow. Just wow. I have no words for this thread because I'm stunned, but I do have some helpful land-owning advice:


1. If you like your view and want to save it, shell out the bucks.

2. If you want to live in a skyscraper, build it - but make it pretty.

3. Prims are only as scarce as your wallet permits them to be.

4. You'll never be pleased with all of your neighbors, all the time.

5. Instead of flattening your plot, try building *with* the terrain.

6. Don't feel pressured to move because one of your neighbors is an asshat - they'll leave eventually.

Good good.

Also, try talking to your neighbour. Start by making friends with them. Once you think you're good pals, let them know that if they'd like to see changes in your build you'll do it no problem.

Once they feel they can suggest changes in your build, start to ask them questions about their build.

By asking questions, generally, they'll get the idea that their neighbours have concerns.

Blaze,

In RL, I live in the one of the most beautiful places on earth. I am surrounded by trees, gardens, snow capped mountains. The ocean is 180 degrees in my viewshed. I have no factories anywhere near me.

Has it occured to you for one minute, that some of us may enjoy a diversion from reality and put up a white tower, or a smoke belching factory with conveyors and raw sewage pipes? It's our land, and where do you get off thinking that you can impress your version of "taste" upon others? This is the crux of the argument.

That my friend, is more insidious than any bad build. Tolerance blaze...tolerance. I agree that some builds have a hidden message, (ie) grieving or so called land sale extortion, but all this banter in the threads has not stopped it, in fact it has been reinforced.

I say this again and again and again. Its none of your business. Zoning laws are not in the plan. They won't be anytime soon either. Get over it.

I had no idea that the FIC issues of SL were rooted actually very heavily in RL FIC issues. I mean, I had a glimmer, obviously given that techies often are far wealthier and live in the Silicon Valley and such. It had never occurred to me that they have also snapped up RL awesome views, too, so that they feel entitled to crap them up in SL where most of the ordinary people have no such views from RL. This has given me rich new food for thought.

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Snapped up?

Yup, I own the Olympic Mountains on the American side...paid for them with my own cash. Want to buy them? I will sell them to you for cash. Sheesh, yet another dillusion from the Mister Fuckingknowitall. NOBODY is listening to you Prok, otherwise the million posts you made would have some merit, whereas they have none. The Lindens don't give a rats ass about you. Be lucky they don't enforce rules strictly, otherwise you would have been gone long ago.

The real griever here is YOU your punk attitude and 'taste police" threads. You harrass, name call, slander and defame with regularity.

Just because you have no life, you will have no effect on mine.

SO MUCH MUDSLINGING, SO LITTLE TIME!

I think we need to have the two parties fighting settle this... with a fight.

Duke it out in SL!

Stop trying to outdo each other with big words and slander against one another.

Just fight!

Id kick his ass

No. It's worth running from.

Prok, you have to say little mean things that aren't relevant to the argument. This has nothing to do with my tier. For your information, my tier is full. I have all the land I need. It still doesn't change that this is the same thing. And that you are a hypocrite. You should not be complaining about this tower if you tell me I can't complain about the the buildingin Pimushe.

You are saying the tower doesn't fit in with the surrounding buildingsin the New Continent. I moved into Pimushe thinking it would be a woodsy setting. This is the same thing. It is obvious. Take the same advice you gave me. If your tenants can build what they want on your land, why can't these people do the same? Whether it is directly to the front or over to the side, the principle is still the same.

You come back with rheteric and slight comments until the other person gets tired of your unwillingness to even concede the most obvious point.

i think the building is a really nice building Prokofy.

so this post is not JUST because YOU think the building is ugly? you have issues with the owner so you decide to complain about his build... if the build was sooo terrible, wouldn't all the other residents be complaining too?

there r no forced zoning rules in this new continent, the land is OWNED by the nexcom people and therefore they can do what they like with it... it's none of your/our business.

The builder used his perch on the construction site of this megatower to harass me, make false accusations against me, scare away customers, and in general intimidate residential waterfront owners.

I want to company to concentrate on the misuse of their construction site by its architect so that this architect and this construction company can realize, through concern about being hit in the pocketbook, that you do not destroy another person's individual and business reputation with utterly false fabrications and slander. It is not just for them to profit through false accusations, to destroy my business, and for me to suffer losses, which I have on this sim.

It's time for smaller businessmen and residential owners to push back hard against these megamonumental builders and large corporations who think the sims are their personal playground.

I own land in this sim too, was about to purchase more from willing newbies, and had neighbours who agreed that a purpose of a waterfront PG sim is to keep it residential. If this company buys a bigger plot and highers bigger badder architects who destroy my business, well, yeah, whatever, but that's not how you keep customers coming into a game.

SL had years where they subsidized these feted megabuilders and their partners among the scripterati, and their game didn't grow. Maybe because giant prim hogs and laggy scripts make residences impossible and people get driven away. The big tower phenom has driven away tenants and owners everywhere.

When LL went to the trouble to zone some city sims, in Grignano and Miramare, they got an appropriate place for towers. Towers look good there, and other sims established as cities.

I think in the new world, it is utterly appropriate for me to raise the very generic issue of whether white cubes of death and black boxes of doom, in their skyscraper overbearing incarnation, is the way for SL to go. I think many people who live and build in these sims feel the same way.

The fuck-you hedonism and eminent-domain entitlement mode of the feted has to go. Positioning a skyscraper, even if it is some perfectly-executed piece of architectural brilliance, on a waterfront of a new PG sim where first-landers were trying to make residences is a questionable activity. It goes on all the time and I may not bother to raise it every time, but when it is used as a platform also to attempt to discredit me and destroy my business, I sure do howl, because it is a matter of principle.

What I can be absolutely sure of is that this company and this architect had not a thought in their feted heads about the fate of the entire sim and the good of the entire sim. They wanted a perch on the first available sold land on the sim closest to the mainland on the old sim for fly-ins to see them first. They wanted to sell their product with a big-ass vanity building. Fuck the people who live in the shadow of that thing, and the future of the sim and its look. No architectural merit or buiding-in-harmony issues were ever envisioned for the entire sim. Instead, it was just about sales, and about commissions for companies and architects. Meanwhile people struggling to handle first land or building rentals or zoned communities or just buying next to each other for residences or small businesses raise really legitimate questions about the right of eminent domain, subsidized generously by Lindens, for these megabuilders.

As it happens, this tower moved, and not because of my dinky little lots and destroyed business, but because another mega asshat thing related to W-HAT built and even UGLIER and MORE GIANT tower right next to this one. You see, this company is an enabler of turning the sim to a slag heap. It will be very hard to recover.

What was also annoying is that this white skyscraper is the typical vanity skyscraper with a store only at the bottom level and maybe one other level. The structure zooms and looms up to the sky, but they aren't selling retail space or providing it to others to use as residential or retal. They just take up the prims out of vanity with artwork/sculpture to do a kind of macho corporate visible thing. I see this all over SL, it's hilarious. But they rob the sim of its prims, sitting on a relatively small footprint and they destroy the horizon with their selfishness.

Oh I know how you feel. The building next to me in Pimushe is several stories and they only use the top floor. I feel your pain Prok. We need to band together and stop people from building when they don't use all the floors with their selfishness.

well first off, the builder has been payed to build what the owner of the land wants... so dont blame the builder.

Prokofy, i went over to see the build and the builder told me that it is NOT complete yet... so how can you be so sure that its only 1 floor?

There are zoned residential sims, if people want to live in a zoned community, move there, they can 'sell their land to you' and move there.

The city sims are full of land whores who will not sell land. the rest is occupied by residents who do not log in nemore.

Sl does not have a government and the way some people react to situations like this, im sure as hell glad LL didn't elect one!

Um, let me explain the difference here:

1. Tenants on 4096 of prime waterfront parcel backed by Linden road and fronted by Linden sea in an established residential area with a residence which they also use for events and which is still under construction do not impose their build on an entire sim, nor are they in the view corridor of that sim nor does their build lag the sim, or block access to others, or intrude with its overbearing presence on to the rest of the sim. The rest of the sim including even your parcel cannot see it. Only you see it partially on one side if you chose to look and if you chose to be vexed, but it does not intrude. Just go look. See the pictures from the other threads. They are tiny by comparison. And your notion that you are the best judge of how people should fill their living space or divide their time in SL is hysterically laughable, judging from how you filled your time and how you fill your time, which is a) with giant inappropriate prefabs like giant brick buildings and Viking ships and b) by flying around harassing ppl to induce sales.

2. A huge megatower blocks the horizon view of the entire sim. No one can help but look at it. It hovers near the waterfront utterly overbearing all the Tiki huts.

These architectural "fine points" may be are beyond you, but any one looking at them

April, spend your time scouring the auctions to find land in the New Continent far from everybody else with no telehubs for your 16k tier fill job. Leave everyone else alone LOL.

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?? The white tower moved, and it was a typical white tower with a vanity scultpture effect and one store on the bottom. That is easily proved, just look at it in its other locations, it is merely a clone.

The black box people who knows what they will do, but since they seemed a kind of conceptual art happening type of "action" I think they will move in 30 days. Meanwhile they have big sim laggy club parties with furries. Oh well. I'm sure I'll be blamed for complaining that we had a big ugly white cube of death which PS was built by someone falsely slandering me, with a vanity build and one store in it, but they moved, and now we have a giant box with furries dancing and lagging it. OH well, nobody asked anybody else's opinion, you get what you get in SL.

Zoned sims do not contain the opportunity to actually own your own land unless you move to mine, where they do, but they I have voluntary zoning and cooperation, and have no way to enforce "violations".

I raise these issues with vehement protest to try to get the community off square one on these issues. We have a brand new continent. Why is it that those flying around an arrogantly talking about how everyone should take pictures to save the pristine wilderness, and how arrogantly talking about how "everybody" would be crapping it up, should get to then plunk down giant skyscrapers they build on everyone else? It is hypocrisy at the zenith degree.

I thought I was hallucinating when I logged in and saw that
the white tower and the black tower have switched positions.

In fact they moved away from the sim where were are located
and appear in the next sim over I believe.

Is this a game of chess???

PS the towers are actually more completed than they
look but I couldn't get the photo to come out right.

I think what gets lost in here is how the people feel who have the 512's next to it. As someone who lost a beautiful lot to a conference center next door, I can appreciate what it is to have a massive structure, no matter how well desinged sit next door.

As FLW noted.. no house should sit on a hill, it should be of a hill. This building is well done, but it dominates the area around it. If one is going to take the time to pay attention to real world details like load bearing and curtain wall sytems, the details like property offsets and surrounding land use can be addressed as well.

We shouldn't stop there. If someone has extra rooms in thier house they're not using, we should band together and stop them!

if and when, which I doubt will ever happen, that a few small land owners dictate to me what I can or cant build they damn well better be prepared to pay my land tier, nuf said

the black tower is there to harrass me. If its not gone iby the time i mentioned in my other post i will leave SL.

Alright, I can see that point. However, wouldn't that mean the Linden's were, in fact, playing favorites? Something that you proclaim to be adamantely against. I have read your posts, these are the very ideals which you profess to be against. According to what I have read in the past, according to your posts, the Linden's should treat everyone equally, whether they are a land owner or not, whether they own 512, or 4 sims.

Which person ... help sims look better
This is entirely subjective, what looks 'better' to you may or may not look 'better' to someone else. Case and point, Anshe's oriental style signs, some people like them, others hate them.

Which person spends more money on this game and pays more tier?
Isn't that favoritism?

Which person is actually appreciated more by the neighbours
Isn't that 'feted'?

I understand your angry, but don't throw your entire belief system in the garbage can!

Well oddly enough, one of the major fucntions of government is to protect the interests of the small land owners. Land use planning and development comissions are a major function of every government. the whole point is to protect citizens from the rampant whim of thier neighbors.

Sure you pay tier to LL and have a right to create a building. But whatever eyesore you choose to put up impacts the quality of life of those around you. Even among residential communities IRL there are offsets and other restrictions which serve the function of limiting the sizr of structures on land.

Now in SL, that fucntion is gone as there is no government. You are in fact free to build what you want. And many do. A 512 square meter rectangular box is a common sight any more. People seem to have the opinion just becaus they have the land they should build on every square meter of it. And this ignores the terraforming issues raised when a neighboor raises his land in a tower, causing the last meter of your land to be turned into vertical surface.