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White Cube of Death in the New World

Prokofy Neva
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Join date: 28 Sep 2004
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03-27-2005 09:31
From: someone
First, the so-called "white cube of death" is an interesting build. But it looks unfinished. Out of place? Hard to say at this point. Certainly more interesting than some of the boxes below it. Perhaps we should resist the hyperbolic hysteria and wait and see.

Second, Prokofy, try not let so many of your own issues hang out in the forums, OK? You're constantly giving people more information about yourself than they really need or want to know. You're kind of the allegorical forum-equivalent to that really-big-building you so long-windedly criticize, writing GIGANTIC and darkly-psychological tomes that dwarf the more-concise comments of those around around you. In the landscapes of the threads you seek to dominate, the tonnage and loudly-personal colors of your commentaries literally shut off the "larger picture" for people who seek illumination and a place to interact with the community. Really, we all have to live here, and when you try to overwhelm us with these enormous, out-of-place rhetorical constuctions, it interferes with the flow of ideas, the theme of the thread, the panorama of opinions, and the sunrise and sunset of ideas. Most of us who inhabit the forums would really like to keep our view.

Learn to build your posts so that the rest of us can live alongside you.


It is my right to raise discussions about buildings in the world, especially those of megabuilders by FIC and apprentices who attempt to ruin my small business, and to make false claims about me in the forums and in the game, including with actual clients.]

Excuse me, but you DO NOT need to read anything I write, no one twists your arm.

I am required to make these long posts because there are serious issues at stake and they need airing and they need detailed records for examination by others.

These are vital issues and bear a lot of discussion. Please do not try to shut off free discussion because its visual length disturbs you. There is no violation of the TOS or ROC and I have never been banned from the forums. You are at liberty to start other threads.

The box may have its merits, or not. I chose to open up a discussion about it because this problem plagues SL -- where mega builders, like yourself, BTW, come in and build giant items that utterly dwarf the aspirations of other people on the sim to have quiet, in-scale, residential lives.

You don't get to do that. You do not have eminent domain. You do not get a pass from me. I speak for many people who are not on the forums and who are intimidated into silence. You do not get to do this.
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daz Groshomme
Artist *nuff said*
Join date: 28 Feb 2005
Posts: 711
03-27-2005 09:32
From: Prokofy Neva
The idea that "I'm first on the sim therefore I get to do what I want" is all too common and all too pernicious.

The tower already blocks the view of people who in fact DID arrive first and purchased land, even if they did not build, because they are new and not skilled in building giant towers.

A tower that hulks over waterfront residences and newbie builds is a problem, a problem for this neighbourhood and a problem for SL. The people on the sim are helpless to do anything about it, because no on has consulted them. This needs to change. I challenge it.


just WHO are you, Prokofy, anyway? the rules say you buy land and build stuff, as long as you don't hate on your fellow man there are no 'community standards' other than it being adult or not right? Why is this such a gigantic big deal, of course the rich people get to build the bigger stuff in the choice lots, why should there be some community policing against this???? I say this as I don't want to incur the wrath of some busybody later on in the game when I can afford a nice plot and may choose to build a tower,
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Plastic Duck
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03-27-2005 09:59
I'd also like to put in my opinion...

The nexcom tower is a very nice build, lots of work went into it and I personally like it a lot. Also, the nexcom people are some of the nicest business owners I have met in this game as of yet. From past experience I've only received threats and abusive IMs from some of the bigger names in SL.

Yes, maybe some of the things I do in this game don't conform to the standards of some people in SL, but being an asshole isn't the solution. Things like spamming the freeze feature on your land to stop me from talking/moving and abusing security systems to teleport me home when I fly over your land (and by abusing I mean having multiple security systems spam the teleport option so that I get watersimmed whenever I fly over said land) or threatening to buy all the land around mine and turning it into an amusement park (that would be cool actually, but it was intended as a threat). That kind of stuff is not cool.

Yes I kind of went off-topic there, but in conclusion, nexcom is cool, and the only reason this thread exists is because Prokofy couldn't find anything else to whine about.
Seth Kanahoe
political fugue artist
Join date: 30 Jan 2005
Posts: 1,220
03-27-2005 10:01
From: Prokofy Neva
You don't get to do that. You do not have eminent domain. You do not get a pass from me. I speak for many people who are not on the forums and who are intimidated into silence. You do not get to do this.


If I'd wanted to tell you to be quiet, I would have told you to "shut the fuck up". Instead, I pointed out that there is a resemblence between the "big, ugly builds" you so freqently criticize, and your "big, ugly posts". And I pointed out that your "big, ugly posts" are more often exercises in personal catharsis than in saying anything really meaningful for the rest of the community.

A little tongue in cheek, but you tend to overlook such things in your race-to-hysteria.

By the way, is that who you speak for in SL? Paranoid hystericals? Good for you.

You might have brought up your point about the building in a much different way. You might have engendered real discussion. Instead, you do that thing you do most of the time. That thing that shows us more about who you are than we care to know.
Lordfly Digeridoo
Prim Orchestrator
Join date: 21 Jul 2003
Posts: 3,628
03-27-2005 10:17
From: Prokofy Neva
The idea that "I'm first on the sim therefore I get to do what I want" is all too common and all too pernicious.


No, it's the idea of "It's my land and I can do what I want" is what drives SL's creative engine. Period.

From: someone

A tower that hulks over waterfront residences and newbie builds is a problem, a problem for this neighbourhood and a problem for SL. The people on the sim are helpless to do anything about it, because no on has consulted them. This needs to change. I challenge it.


Oh for fuck's sake, you have to be kidding me. It's a decently designed business tower. Who made you lord and savior of the poor, downtrodden New Continent people?

Honestly, get over yourself. There is nothing wrong with the building. There is nothing wrong with them putting a building over there, of any size. It's their land, and they don't have to listen to your FIC paranoic ramblings about their building preferences.

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chad Statosky
Nexcom CEO
Join date: 3 Jun 2004
Posts: 66
03-27-2005 10:30
From: someone
You don't get to do that. You do not have eminent domain. You do not get a pass from me. I speak for many people who are not on the forums and who are intimidated into silence. You do not get to do this.



hold up. Your talking about "You do not have eminent domain." GOD YOU ARE THE BIGEST HIPPOCRIT EVER.

Also nexcom did not aproach you. when i loged on this morning you had left me about 20 ims with bull crap.

"Prokofy Neva:
Please tell your architect Traxx Hathor to cease and desist from harassing me and interfering with my business of renting to people who donate tier, and buying their first land. This is a perfectly legitimate business. He has personal baggage."

"Prokofy Neva:
No one has been scammed, and my customers are perfectly informed and happy to participate. He makes false charges about me for his own agenda. I will be criticizing the domination of this sim by your/his building. It discourages people"

"Prokofy Neva:
including my rental customers, from living here on the waterfront. I do not understand wh you are here, and pressuing my business involving residential rentals."

oh shut up
why dont you go talk to someone who cares because as you can tell here no one does.
Charlotte Gillespie
2 - 0 Lindens
Join date: 19 Nov 2004
Posts: 1,101
03-27-2005 10:30
From: Plastic Duck
I heard w-hat used a hacked client to make the big black tower next to the ugly white nexcom tower, confirm/deny?


I heard W-Hat have nothing better to do than follow people round the world and the forums being irritating. Get a paper round or something.
Charlotte Gillespie
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Join date: 19 Nov 2004
Posts: 1,101
03-27-2005 10:33
From: Walker Spaight
Charlotte, is that your blog? Or do you know whose it is, if not? Just wondering 'cause I want to put maybe put a link to it from the Herald. Thanks.


I run that website. At present, I'm posting a lot of rubbish on it!
Charlotte Gillespie
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Join date: 19 Nov 2004
Posts: 1,101
03-27-2005 10:38
From: chad Statosky
The tower that was built will bring business to the new continent and support the economy.


How? Not meaning to be argumentative here, but it's a bloody tower. Do you really expect people to decide, "ooh - Nexcom have built a megatower on that sim, I'd better put my shop / strip club / mall next to it!"?

If so, then you are sadly mistaken. In RL, big business tends to gravitate towards the same areas (hence the City of London and Canary Wharf), but in SL, transport isn't nearly the same, rendering your assertion that a skyscraper will "bring business to the new continent" utterly void.
Charlotte Gillespie
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03-27-2005 10:42
From: chad Statosky

oh shut up
why dont you go talk to someone who cares because as you can tell here no one does.


What a lovely fella and utterly charming business owner, what?
daz Groshomme
Artist *nuff said*
Join date: 28 Feb 2005
Posts: 711
03-27-2005 10:42
From: Charlotte Gillespie
How? Not meaning to be argumentative here, but it's a bloody tower. Do you really expect people to decide, "ooh - Nexcom have built a megatower on that sim, I'd better put my shop / strip club / mall next to it!"?

If so, then you are sadly mistaken. In RL, big business tends to gravitate towards the same areas (hence the City of London and Canary Wharf), but in SL, transport isn't nearly the same, rendering your assertion that a skyscraper will "bring business to the new continent" utterly void.


yeah, the issue is the freedom to build what you like on your own land, helping the economy is a red herring, being nice to your neighbors is expected but you can choose to fill your land with people or do nothing with it since you are paying for it.
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chad Statosky
Nexcom CEO
Join date: 3 Jun 2004
Posts: 66
03-27-2005 10:47
Prokofy Neva: Excuse me, but you need to stop making false accusations about me supposedly "pressuring you" to sell land. At no time did I do this, and you know this. I merely asked you, and explained our program. If anything, YOU are pressuring our customer who is absolutely free to price his land in any way he wants. Traxx Hathor, has personal baggage here and is not presenting the facts. We do not scam newbies.

Lita Withnail: I bought it, before someone else did. At no time did I talk to him. And no time did I "pressure" him. I have no idea why he sold.

Prokofy Neva: If you and he want to back, you are welcome to

Lita Withnail: take it back for exactly what it sold for $5000, just to show you there is no scam here.

no responce after that

Interview with Lita Withnail.
Eboni Khan
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Join date: 17 Mar 2004
Posts: 2,133
03-27-2005 10:48
This means my neighborhood is free of the Nexcom tower? YAY!!!


I have nothing against the tower or Nexcom. The tower however did not suit the neighborhood and since all the floors except the bottom floor are unoccupied, the tower seems a little silly. The little houses in the area were dwarfed by the tower. I live a Sim over, but I can see the nexcom tower from my bedroom window across the river, it sort of ruins the horizon line a bit, but it doesnt affect me too much personally.

I understand that perhaphs the point of the tower is to give the feel of a large telecom company, and there is interesting, but the upper floors seem like a waste of Prims. You could put all of the Nexcom store items in a 10x10 box and call it a day. Then it would be more like a celular store than an empty SBC tower.
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chad Statosky
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03-27-2005 10:48
lol im not like that normally but this guy is driving me crazy. all i did was put up a tower and poof i get 20 ims lol.

nexcom is lowering the height of the tower. when i contracted it i was not aware of its height.
Charlotte Gillespie
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Join date: 19 Nov 2004
Posts: 1,101
03-27-2005 10:48
From: chad Statosky
Prokofy Neva: Excuse me, but you need to stop making false accusations about me supposedly "pressuring you" to sell land. At no time did I do this, and you know this. I merely asked you, and explained our program. If anything, YOU are pressuring our customer who is absolutely free to price his land in any way he wants. Traxx Hathor, has personal baggage here and is not presenting the facts. We do not scam newbies.

Lita Withnail: I bought it, before someone else did. At no time did I talk to him. And no time did I "pressure" him. I have no idea why he sold.

Prokofy Neva: If you and he want to back, you are welcome to

Lita Withnail: take it back for exactly what it sold for $5000, just to show you there is no scam here.

no responce after that

Interview with Lita Withnail.


Did you wake up with a mobile up your arse this morning?
Prokofy Neva
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Join date: 28 Sep 2004
Posts: 3,698
03-27-2005 10:52
From: someone
If I'd wanted to tell you to be quiet, I would have told you to "shut the fuck up". Instead, I pointed out that there is a resemblence between the "big, ugly builds" you so freqently criticize, and your "big, ugly posts". And I pointed out that your "big, ugly posts" are more often exercises in personal catharsis than in saying anything really meaningful for the rest of the community.

A little tongue in cheek, but you tend to overlook such things in your race-to-hysteria.

By the way, is that who you speak for in SL? Paranoid hystericals? Good for you.

You might have brought up your point about the building in a much different way. You might have engendered real discussion. Instead, you do that thing you do most of the time. That thing that shows us more about who you are than we care to know.


Oh, that was brilliant and witty, Seth. My WHINESCRAPERS as Maxx Monde already called them some days ago, are the moral equivalent of tall, menacing buildings in SL.

Wonderful LOL. Except you never have to visit the forum or read my posts, but when you are sitting on your dock in SL, you have no choice but to look at the these megabuildings.

In RL, megabuildings have to get building permits, they have to deal with easily-offended community groups, they have to answer to investors and customers, and the law.

There is none of that in SL.

That is why I fight back, as only a citizen can do at the grassroots level, with posts, discussions, dissent, protests, etc.
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chad Statosky
Nexcom CEO
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Posts: 66
03-27-2005 10:53
normally when i login i get about 50 ims about "my phones is not working" Or "i have a bussines proposition for you". but i dont get people telling me that i cant do this and that.
all he had to do was say the tower is blocking my view and i would have dont soemthing about it but instead he blew this way out of preportion.
Prokofy Neva
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Join date: 28 Sep 2004
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03-27-2005 10:57
From: someone
Thanks for the design critiques, people. : )

I make my money in SL as an architect, so when people take the time to examine one of my builds and give a response that's valuable feedback. Sure, some of that is going to be negative *cough* Char ; ) If people only give positive comments, the architect is not going to learn as much as would be the case when the full spectrum of critical discussion is welcomed.

My client is actually an expert micro-scale builder, and doesn't hesitate to shoot down a proposed design idea I might build on his site. For example, I built a pair of large complex curved arches set at 90 degrees to each other, and intersecting at the top. That was just an initial idea for the building. He said no; he wanted the look of a telecom building. So I built a tower. It's cruciform in plan with (pretend) loadbearing components visually separated from a curtain wall. The use of a curtain wall is common in RL towers.

Once the tower was built I went to sleep. This morning a shining black tower had appeared beside it. This is not a fight! It's just another builder's response. Robin Linden checked the party on top of the black tower, possibly with an eye to making sure that it didn't develop into a fight. Thanks, Robin. The party ran its course, and my client said, okay let's cut the height of the Nexcom tower, so I'm doing that for him now.


I make my money in SL as a real estate agent, so when megabuilders take the time to harass my clients, flush them for accusations against me, make false accusations against me, I respond by questioning their right of "eminent domain" and their tactics.

It's wonderful that there are all these groovay kewl architectural merity kinda thingies in this building. Normally I enjoy them. I don't enjoy them when they are backing an effort to destroy my reputation and my business by slandering me to neighbours, looking for fights I did not start. And I don't enjoy them when they overbear over waterfront property that should be left for residences since the businesses of yet another FIC-er who leaves a money-making profit-center running with his laggy-scripts to soak money out of the world, while he goes off to RL or elsewhere in SL, it not my idea of an ideal neighbour on a sim.

A shining black tower? I know nothing about this and is sure isn't related to me. You are able to summon the Lindens to your beck and call to check building heights of competitors. Wow. It's worse than I knew.
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chad Statosky
Nexcom CEO
Join date: 3 Jun 2004
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03-27-2005 10:59
how did we harrass your client?
chad Statosky
Nexcom CEO
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03-27-2005 11:01
Traxx is a contractor. he does work for nexcom but is not the voice of the company.
John wallaby and myself take on that responsibilty, and i got quite a few instant messages about this topic before i ever knew anytihng about it. why are you bringing this all of nexcom, we had nothing to do with anytinhg you speak of, and if you had a problem i would have been more than happy to deal with it.

Nexcom tries its best to keep a friendly face to all residents. most that have imed any of my represinatives will say that they were very nice and helpful, and i dont tolerate any rudeness to anyone by anyone that is working for me. but Prokofy has made this personal now, if you could simple address this issue directly to me i will take care of it.
Prokofy Neva
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03-27-2005 11:02
From: someone
Prokofy Neva: Excuse me, but you need to stop making false accusations about me supposedly "pressuring you" to sell land. At no time did I do this, and you know this. I merely asked you, and explained our program. If anything, YOU are pressuring our customer who is absolutely free to price his land in any way he wants. Traxx Hathor, has personal baggage here and is not presenting the facts. We do not scam newbies.

Lita Withnail: I bought it, before someone else did. At no time did I talk to him. And no time did I "pressure" him. I have no idea why he sold.

Prokofy Neva: If you and he want to back, you are welcome to

Lita Withnail: take it back for exactly what it sold for $5000, just to show you there is no scam here.

no responce after that

Interview with Lita Withnail.



Printing notecards of in-game communications is against the TOS. But before it is erased, let's try to examine this.

It sounds like Lita Withnail has no gripe about me supposedly "pressuring" her although supposedly she said this other the builders and neighbours. I dunno, all I did was a) ask her if she wanted to sell because she was new with first land and first landers were selling all over, especially if they found themselves in the shadow of a menacing tower, duh and b) propose she join our tier donation program and get free rent and access to better land. End of story.

I then bought the boyfriend's lot later, which was for sale. I didn't put it on for resale, but IM'd her to make sure there wasn't some accusation of "pressure" and that if she or he wanted NOT to sell, they could get it back for exactly what I paid for it.

If there is no response after that from me, could it be that on Easter Sunday maybe I have something I'd prefer to do than log into a game fight???
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daz Groshomme
Artist *nuff said*
Join date: 28 Feb 2005
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03-27-2005 11:11
From: Prokofy Neva

That is why I fight back, as only a citizen can do at the grassroots level, with posts, discussions, dissent, protests, etc.


It's a game where you buy land and build stuff, you're making it seem that we should adhere to our R/L standards and mores, well when it comes to hate speach we should, but about buildings being too big as to block out your neighbors?, geez, this isn't 'activism' in my opinion, it's silly. We don't need protection.
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Mine Sapeur
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Guild Wars?
03-27-2005 11:13
Is this some kind of Guild War between the Builder Guild and the Real Estate Guild??

I realize that factions can try to win over newbies but I do not feel I have been unduly pressured or harassed or anything by anybody, but clearly they are in some war.

I approached Proskofy myself because he is a friend of a friend from TSO. He told me about the rent-free land with the tier contribution. He explained it, and since the tier is free, and there was no cash in rent, I thought it seemed good. My friends did it and it worked fine for them. He offered $3750 for the land there at the seaside, but I did not feel pushed, in fact he told me to wait for a better price because people seemed to be springing up all over with newbie shirts, selling land briskly, and retiring.

Then I found a message from the builder warning me that I could be scammed and saying I should not do business with this person and company. But as I had not sold or given anything, I did not feel worried. The best deal is the one I have: I paid just $512 for my land, and I pay no rent while I remain on it, because it is free tier from the Linden Labs.

Several people, including the builder, were very helpful about explaning the various things on the game panel, which is confusing, i.e. you can turn the sun on and off. At one point the builder explained to me that a tower just as big as his could be put right in front of me on the water. I don't know if this was intended to be a veiled threat, but I think not. I am worried that the water in front of me is for sale now. If anything, I feel more scammed by the game than any of these people because they've sold me what I thought was waterfront, but it turns out it is waterbehind -- behind some parcel on the auction?

I find the tower this company built very awesome. I learned a lot from clicking on it. All of the lots around have interesting houses, like the pink hut for example. I see a lot of creativity here. The opportunity for another lot in a less crowded area seemed a good one from the rentals company, too. I hope to continue exploring but I did not come here for Guild Wars.
Pathfinder Linden
Administrator
Join date: 15 Mar 2005
Posts: 507
03-27-2005 11:13
I saw that some private conversations (inworld IMs) have been posted here as well as being quoted in other messages. I've deleted the original post and any post that quoted these private communications.

Please respect each other's privacy regarding private IMs. Posting copies of private communications in the forums is a guaranteed way to get your post teleported to the cornfield...

Thanks.
chad Statosky
Nexcom CEO
Join date: 3 Jun 2004
Posts: 66
03-27-2005 11:17
I am paying for the land, your not, and i do understand why someone would get upset about this kind of issue. But all you had to do was say that its blocking your view and i would have handled it appropriately. Why did you go and blow it out of proportion in 1 year from today will any of this matter? So then why make a big deal out of it.
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