Commercializm Poll

Is there enough or not enough commercialism in SL?

For the current incarnation, possibly too much.

For expanding into the Metaverse... not enough.

As for the inherent feaures of SL, probably not enough - need more search tools, commerce tools, land tools, and other ways to support RL business in SL.

commie

There is quite a bit for a small community like SL is now.. I agree with Hiro. As we move towards the metaverse, I think there will be more and that's probably a good thing.

sure untill ppl wake up one day and realize they are paying for an ad service rofl

not a commie

*Baba doesn't pay* <--- ;0

And yet...

Television survives...

The internet survives...

Magazines survive...

Ok, I seriously want to know what the fuck at this point. I agreed with you that something needed to be done when there was a threat. There isn't now, nor will there be for a very long time, if ever. At this point, the only ad's you see in second life are for SL based bussinesses and/or SL based services. Nothing else, since it isn't a reasonable investment oppertunity.


To give a good example on my stand with this "hot" topic, I will refer to anarchy online. AO is a semi-popular MMORPG. It is completely, 100% free. Only thing is, you have to put up with commercial advertisements. Now, when I first saw this it completely ruined the immersion factor funcom worked so hard to get. But once you keep in mind "Hey, it's free. They have to do something to stay in business" and that if you paid 15$ a month they would be gone (and you would have access to shadowlands!) it makes it worth it.

The point? Sure, I'll put up with an anal raping (not really) if the game is free and that's what it takes to stay in business. But if you have to pay monthly (especially with the horrible prices SL has) then it's not worth it.

not enough. We need more products to choose from, we need more creative people producing cool things and advertizing those cool things so we can easily find them.

More stuff, more ads, more business. These are good things for SL and RL.

NO THIS IS A BAD IDEA BCUZ IF PPL INNOVATE THEN THEIR WILL B NO MORE SEX AND I WUNT BLING N SHIT LOL! I WANT KNEW SHOES AND HAIR WHICH DESTROYS THE RENDERING CLIENT N SHIT LOL!

Ok, if you couldn't understand that, the point of this post is saying this will never happen because the mass of second life is made up of sex deprived idiots.

As long as LL keeps introducing technology that can be used as a rl marketing tool the threat will continue to exist. Streaming media, introduced rl commercials. Html rl web sites on prims. Are you saying that not one will contain a rl site that is trying to sell some rl product? I think that is an unrealistic assumption at this point.

It is and always has been my opinion that I will continue to pay for SL until we get to a point that the commercial value of this world out weights the artist value of this world. I just do not see paying for a commercial, especially in what I feel is a social game. You may look past the commercial side and say that you can live with the trade off. Hey if this world was entirely free I might agree with you there. Right now its not. I pay money on a monthly basis I do not wish to avoid or fly around the things that are in my face commercialism. Hey if this is the www.3d.com more power to them, but keep in mind I already pay for my access to the web and I do not intend to pay more to view commercials.

I sense a hostility from you these days Ryen that’s ok we all have baggage, but I am not your punching bag.

Cat

I've seen people advertising their ebay crap in MMORPGs with none of the features of SL except the ability to speak and an audience...

That's all people need! An audience and some way to speak to them.....

Theres no hostility, I'm just calling em as I see em. Sure, the threat it there. Hell in any game you could say the threat is there, but it's just no realistic to think it could happen at this point in time. Second life is not a viable business oppertunity, and LL would never allow real life advertising unless there was a reason for it. I will be the first one out of the door if anything occurs that allows real world marketing unless second life (in turn) becomes free to some extent. In other words, unless there is something in it for everyone, business will drop for LL.

i would prefer less commercialism. would be happy if we could first eliminate the free-ride stuff. Nike and Disney and others aren't advertising in SL, but i see their products and consequently that's an advertisement to me. if i have to endure more of that, i'd rather those corporations pay for my eyeballs. right now SLers are doing it to themselves. so get rid of that stuff and let's level the field for more SL brands.

I suppose we could start contacting the companies and letting them know that their copy written material is being used illegally. Make it their problem not ours

Cat

hell no. SL is too small still to survive that kind of attention imo. let's leave them out of it and resolve this on our own while it's in our hands to do so.

Any suggestions as to how we accomplish this?

i've started by trying to understand why it's so prevalent and so permitted. to that end i've been posting in the Hotline section. right now, i'd venture that SLers who are adversely impacted have their hands tied. both by the ToS and by the negative influence of those within SL who profit from this practice.

I happen to think that if something is being shown illegally in any form in sl it should be removed by the lindens. Reporting bad content is a start but no I don't think its getting the job done either. I remember way back when the Americana project was told to remove the "Route 66" logo from the build as it did violate the copy write.

After some time had passed we all became the owners of our content and along with it responsible as individuals for what we uploaded. This leaves LL free of any wrong doing. It also leaves us to either ignore this problem or find a way to correct it.

I vote for correct it. I simply will not upload my best textures, I feel my work is unprotected. As for ppl uploading and using the Disney logo and such, I highly suggest no one buys it. That's right I say don't buy it, neg rate those who sell copy written material. Neg rate anyone wearing a trademarked item.

These are some steps we can take. Which IMO is not nearly enough to combat this problem. A simple "report this copy written material" button from within sl would help a great deal. Hell set up a committee of sl residents to investigate the illegal material. I would do it. If found in violation the material is promptly removed by the lindens.




Cat
The Hero Disclaimer: Please just view my above statement as one of many possible suggestions nothing i write is written in stone

That was a sign based on the Phillip's 66 gas station logo, a trademark. "Route 66" is a public highway, it's not a registered trademark.

LL is not under any obligation to "do anything about it", nor do I think they should, unless there has been a DMCA takedown notice. If someone doesn't like the fact that someone is using a trademark/copyright, they can phone, write, or email the tradmark/copyright holder and inform them. If the trademark/copyright holder doesn't like the situation, they can file DMCA. Do we need LL to use the precious time they have, scurrying around doing DMCA work? I don't think so.

Do we want to invite the Disney Police into SL, and make everyone afraid to make a Mickey shirt for personal use? Or an avatar of Goofy? I don't, so I will keep my lips closed, and let others worry about it. Just remember, you pick up that phone, and you're opening a big can 'o worms. You may very well screw people who are simply wearing a costume they made, and not selling anything.

Corporate logos are not necessarily "copy written material." They are usually trademarks, you seem to be interchanging the two. Also, it's "copyright", not "copy write" and it applies to literary, musical, dramatic, or artistic work.

Well damn I stand corrected, Philip 66. It was a long time ago, I have slept since then LOL.

Copyright

I am not a lawyer and never claimed to be. I think ppl knew what I ment tho. "copyright" "copy write" "copy rite" "copy written" there are many different variations on that on many different webs for one.

Logos are trademarks got it thanks for clearing that up.

My suggestion was that ppl in sl handle it and LL help the ppl to see the job threw.

you wrote "Do we want to invite Disney into SL, and make everyone afraid to make a Mickey shirt for personal use? Or an avatar of Goofy? I don't, so I will keep my lips closed, and let others worry about it. Just remember, you pick up that phone, and you're opening a big can 'o worms."

Absolutly yes I do want them to stop Nolan, because its illegal and also because it drags RL commercialism into SL.

wow I need a rl nap not thinking today

i can imagine that someone will eventually become an authorized agent for these companies. there's RW money in doing that i bet. and just takes one pissed off SLer to decide to turn a buck outing this stuff. if there are people who don't care about screwing up the SL marketplace, why should we believe there are people who care about screwing up SL in general? money is a powerful motivator.

Then call Disney, Paramount, LucasArts, and so on and so forth. Let the games begin!

As far as Rl commercialism in SL - LL is hoping that SL becomes the 3d web someday. If this is truly the case, you haven't seen anything yet.

I'd say get used to it. Not only will SL grow more commercialized, I have read several articles lately, about online games considering in-game, real world advertising - most analysts say it's just a matter of time, and heck, we already see McDonald's in TSO, they've been there some time now.

btw, logos are not necessarily trademarks. and by default - since they are created - they are copywritten automatically. a logo becomes a trademark. it is not one by default.

gosh I certainly hope not, that would suck. I don't however see that happening any time soon as sl is still tiny compaired to EA. Ya just never know in this crazy twisted world. Sure it could happen, nip it in the bud