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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
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09-30-2005 13:23
From: Martin Magpie Honestly folks stop with the finger pointing you look foolish it's not like this was a huge secret for goodness sakes, everyone knew, everyone did it. LL allowed it.
Mar There is no finger pointing going on. Your whole post is an apples to oranges thing. Here is a simple statement - please tell me why you disagree with it: First Land is a program for NEW PLAYERS WHO HAVE NEVER OWNED LAND to have a chance at their first plot of land at a reduced rate. It is not a program that should be used to keep getting additional land cheaply. There is a limited amount of First Land - often it is very scarce, and each person who does not really need it (IE - they can afford to buy land normally and already own land) should not take advantage of the program, even if they can.
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Rimble Rampal
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Join date: 23 Apr 2004
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09-30-2005 13:23
From: Martin Magpie 6-09-03 Philip Linden CEO/Founder, Linden Lab Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 493 Second Life membership plans for beta residents Dear Lifers, And? What does this tell me? That I wish I was around when they offered lifetime accounts? Yep, I sure wish I was and wasn't playing TSO then. I would have jumped on this in a heartbeat. Honestly though, 4096m wouldn't have been enough for me. I think I have twice that tier now. Also, I don't think that is what LL had in mind for First Land. But, I am sure some one else at some time has done it. Jumping down Coco's throat for it is bad. But starting a post with an inflammatory flame is horrible. For all the whining people do about "something awful" goons in SL, I must say their message boards are much better (just in general). Heavily modded, clear rules, and you are held accountable for them (the rules) and your posts (ie banned or put on probation). And they have about 50k users. Just an observation 
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Chip Midnight
ate my baby!
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09-30-2005 13:24
From: Martin Magpie So what? Is that any worse than say... gaming the system then telling someone else they can't. I find that hypocritial at best. So I'm honest, I wouldn't have it any other way You're making the assumption that because you broke the rules, everone else must have too. That's quite an assumption (and patently false). Personally, as someone who has never gamed the system even when my tax burden was 11k L$ a week, I feel prefectly entitled to tell people who do what I think of their actions.
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Martin Magpie
Catherine Cotton
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09-30-2005 13:25
Coco don't let these fine folks with their upstanding morals fool ya. I cannot tell you how many times I was told in these very forums and IW to "get with the program, be realist, wake up and smell the profits" now they stand in judgement because your alt bought first land. OMG LOL if this wasn't so damn funny it would be creepy. Yeah I "get it" I "got it" now it's all "good"  Unfortunatly they didn't expect me to be so damn honest about the"system" LOL! Mar
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Cocoanut Koala
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09-30-2005 13:25
From: Kendra Bancroft Yes --I am saying that. So? I understand that is your understanding of it. Why won't you allow me to have had my understanding of it? Particularly since huge numbers of people doubtless have the same understanding. coco
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
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09-30-2005 13:28
From: Cocoanut Koala That is a lie, and you know it Chip. I have not admitted to gaming the system. If I were going to game the system, would I admit it? I mentioned buying First Land with my second account. That caused others to accuse me of being unethical and gaming the system. I say, I have NOT gamed the system. Therefore, I have not admitted to gaming the system. coco (P.S. Y'all love to toy with me this way, dontcha?  ) Cocoanut has not admitted to gaming the system. I do believe she sincerely believes there wasn't anything wrong with getting a second plot. While I disagree with her arguments about why it is alright to do so, I don't think she tried to game anything or to knowingly cheat the system. While I do think it is unethical to take advantage of the First Land program in any way, I don't think Cocoanut's motivations were for gain. PS - see, someone can defend you without insulting everyone else in the thread.
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Kendra Bancroft
Rhine Maiden
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09-30-2005 13:30
From: Cocoanut Koala I understand that is your understanding of it. Why won't you allow me to have had my understanding of it? Particularly since huge numbers of people doubtless have the same understanding. coco I didn't realize I held that kind of power over you. Hey, Coco Made ya look!!!!!
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Pendari Lorentz
Senior Member
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09-30-2005 13:30
From: Martin Magpie Coco don't let these fine folks with their upstanding morals fool ya. I cannot tell you how many times I was told in these very forums and IW to "get with the program, be realist, wake up and smell the profits" now they stand in judgement because your alt bought first land. OMG LOL if this wasn't so damn funny it would be creepy. Yeah I "get it" I "got it" now it's all "good"  Unfortunatly they didn't expect me to be so damn honest about "system" LOL! Mar You are not honest. You are skewing the truth in your favor and tossing vauge flames using the excuse that you cannot name names. Of course you can't, and you are using that to your advantage. Unfortunatly, some will be ignorant enough to believe what you say. Of course, the real truth of your vicious nature is revealed when someone simply does a search in the forum and archives of Catherine Cotton (who you have publicly stated is your main). The only time I get mad with you, is when you state crap that some poor new person may actually believe. I'm thankful there are others who will step up and counter your claims also.
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Cocoanut Koala
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09-30-2005 13:33
From: Cristiano Midnight There is no finger pointing going on. Your whole post is an apples to oranges thing. Here is a simple statement - please tell me why you disagree with it: First Land is a program for NEW PLAYERS WHO HAVE NEVER OWNED LAND to have a chance at their first plot of land at a reduced rate. It is not a program that should be used to keep getting additional land cheaply. There is a limited amount of First Land - often it is very scarce, and each person who does not really need it (IE - they can afford to buy land normally and already own land) should not take advantage of the program, even if they can. OK, I'll take this on. (Then I gotta go to the store.) ----- First Land is something that you get when you buy a new ACCOUNT. Because THAT player has never owned First Land. It is a one-time thing that all new accounts get. It is assumed it will be a REAL account for your household, and not just an account to get something quick and then delete. When you get an account, that is your account forever, and you only get one chance at First Land with it. You also get a sign-on bonus with it, the ability to own 512 without paying tier - and NOTICE how that is the SAME 512! Coincidental, huh! Do you expect us to somehow pay tier on it, too, whether or not we bought it as First Land or from someone else? - plus $500 a week. It is often very scarce because some people game the system by buying up lots of land with alts they later delete. But when we are running short on land (as we did after people taking advantage of an exploit), we will just release more, as there is no true scarcity. We will provide every new account with 512 of land. We release land in proportion to all the new accounts we get, up to five accounts per household. We try to keep a rein on those who would abuse the system by creating a number of alts - you are allowed only five - but we can't always control that, so there may be shortages at times. ------- Also, Cristiano, you keep harping on the cost of the thing. I don't really get that. In my case, anyway, whether it cost me $512 or $3000 was far less important than that it was contiguous to my plot. I have bought from other players land near me. And with my alt, I bought her first 512, as is my right as a NEW, ACTUAL, PERMANENT ACCOUNT. There is NOTHING gaming the system about that. coco
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Cocoanut Koala
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09-30-2005 13:34
From: Cristiano Midnight Cocoanut has not admitted to gaming the system. I do believe she sincerely believes there wasn't anything wrong with getting a second plot. While I disagree with her arguments about why it is alright to do so, I don't think she tried to game anything or to knowingly cheat the system. While I do think it is unethical to take advantage of the First Land program in any way, I don't think Cocoanut's motivations were for gain. PS - see, someone can defend you without insulting everyone else in the thread. Thanks! coco
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Pendari Lorentz
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09-30-2005 13:35
From: Cristiano Midnight Cocoanut has not admitted to gaming the system. I do believe she sincerely believes there wasn't anything wrong with getting a second plot. While I disagree with her arguments about why it is alright to do so, I don't think she tried to game anything or to knowingly cheat the system. While I do think it is unethical to take advantage of the First Land program in any way, I don't think Cocoanut's motivations were for gain.
I agree Cris. I stated this as well in the original thread. I do not think Coco's intentions were ill when she bought the land. I am just puzzled that after all the explinations she cannot see the reality behind what the program was meant to be. Since only a Linden opinion will matter to her, I'm not trying to convince her anymore, I just want new people who are lurking to understand what is wrong about alts taking First Land.
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Lecktor Hannibal
YOUR MOM
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09-30-2005 13:36
From: Martin Magpie So just so I got this right, we are not friends again? Just keep me up to date please as our friendship seems to change as often as you change your underware.
Mar From: Lecktor Hannibal He goes commando. Figure out that analogy. Did no one else find this hilarious besides Cat whom I'm sure really didn't grok it?
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Chip Midnight
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Join date: 1 May 2003
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09-30-2005 13:37
From: Cristiano Midnight Cocoanut has not admitted to gaming the system. I do believe she sincerely believes there wasn't anything wrong with getting a second plot. While I disagree with her arguments about why it is alright to do so, I don't think she tried to game anything or to knowingly cheat the system. While I do think it is unethical to take advantage of the First Land program in any way, I don't think Cocoanut's motivations were for gain. PS - see, someone can defend you without insulting everyone else in the thread. I agree, to a point. I defended her in the original thread also. I don't think she was sure, but it seems obvious she wasn't certain it was kosher or she'd never have started the thread to ask if it was ethical or not. Why ask if you're already certain it's A-OK? And furthermore, why insist that it is A-OK when everyone tells you it's not? It's all a bit bizarre. This thread just elevates it all to far beyond bizarre. Typical "do as I say, not as I do" BS.
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Euterpe Roo
The millionth monkey
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09-30-2005 13:38
From: Siggy Romulus Sometimes I get hypnocritical - thats where I stare at a watch for too long and start picking the shit outta ppls builds. I thought that meant you were 'hippotized.' 
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JackBurton Faulkland
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09-30-2005 13:38
From: Lecktor Hannibal Did no one else find this hilarious besides Cat whom I'm sure really didn't grok it? It was pretty funny i agree
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Jonquille Noir
Lemon Fresh
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09-30-2005 13:39
From: Cocoanut Koala It is assumed it will be a REAL account for your household, and not just an account to get something quick and then delete. coco One question, since you keep making the fact that yours is a REAL account a pivotal point... Did you keep the 512 of First Land for Strawbearry's personal use, or did you add it to Cocoa's land?
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Willow Zander
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09-30-2005 13:39
Oh crap, guys, I just realised, we are talking about Hypocrites.
This thread is about Hypolcites...
Sorry everyone, back to your stations plz..
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Martin Magpie
Catherine Cotton
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09-30-2005 13:40
From: Pendari Lorentz You are not honest. You are skewing the truth in your favor and tossing vauge flames using the excuse that you cannot name names. Of course you can't, and you are using that to your advantage. Unfortunatly, some will be ignorant enough to believe what you say. Of course, the real truth of your vicious nature is revealed when someone simply does a search in the forum and archives of Catherine Cotton (who you have publicly stated is your main).
The only time I get mad with you, is when you state crap that some poor new person may actually believe. I'm thankful there are others who will step up and counter your claims also. Your making vague accusations and throwing around drama like free cookies. Did you have a point? Your saying no old timers gamed the system LOL that would be fine if it wasn't spoken about so freely "forum archives" they are a great tool for the truth. Mar
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Kendra Bancroft
Rhine Maiden
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09-30-2005 13:42
From: Martin Magpie Your making vague accusations and throwing around drama like free cookies. Did you have a point?
Your saying no old timers gamed the system LOL that would be fine if it wasn't spoken about so freely "forum archives" they are a great tool for the truth.
Mar Question. Are you really sitting in front of your computer laughing outloud? Cause --uhm--if ya are? That's sorta creepy and stuff. Just sayin'
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Cocoanut Koala
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09-30-2005 13:42
From: Chip Midnight I agree, to a point. I defended her in the original thread also. I don't think she was sure, but it seems obvious she wasn't certain it was kosher or she'd never have started the thread to ask if it was ethical or not. Why ask if you're already certain it's A-OK? And furthermore, why insist that it is A-OK when everyone tells you it's not? It's all a bit bizarre. This thread just elevates it all to far beyond bizarre. Typical "do as I say, not as I do" BS. Correction: I mentioned that I had bought First Land with my alt in a GOM thread, after somebody noticed I was posting under a different screen name (and immediately assumed I had accidentally outed myself, but that's another issue). Then people got on my case for "gaming the system" and being unethical. So then I brought the whole issue to General for further discussion. Why discuss it? Well, for me, because I hate to think I have done something wrong and didn't know it. And because I don't THINK it is wrong, and I figured bunches of other people didn't think so, either. And because IF it is wrong, then they dang well should say so, rather than leaving people like me flapping in the breeze getting called on our ethics and whatnot when all we did was buy a second account and play it. coco
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Lecktor Hannibal
YOUR MOM
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09-30-2005 13:43
From: Kendra Bancroft Question. Are you really sitting in front of your computer laughing outloud? Cause --uhm--if ya are? That's sorta creepy and stuff.
Just sayin'  Yay the creepy word is back. I knew this thread hadn't really died.
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JackBurton Faulkland
PorkChop Express
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09-30-2005 13:43
From: Kendra Bancroft Question. Are you really sitting in front of your computer laughing outloud? Cause --uhm--if ya are? That's sorta creepy and stuff.
Just sayin' I am sitting at work laughing at this shit my coworkers think i am nutz. I dont even want to try and explain what is going on. lol
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Martin Magpie
Catherine Cotton
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09-30-2005 13:44
From: Kendra Bancroft Question. Are you really sitting in front of your computer laughing outloud? Cause --uhm--if ya are? That's sorta creepy and stuff.
Just sayin' Yes yes I am LOL. I find this very amusing 
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
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09-30-2005 13:45
From: Kendra Bancroft Question. Are you really sitting in front of your computer laughing outloud? Cause --uhm--if ya are? That's sorta creepy and stuff. Just sayin' "Creepy." The new in-way to marginalize people. "Creepy" as in what happened in the other thread, where I became "creepy" for having two characters and speaking of them in the third person. coco
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Omaire Abattoir
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09-30-2005 13:45
Is this what happens when someone has too much, or too little time?
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