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Cocoanut Koala
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09-30-2005 12:36
Yep, Panda, it wasn't a nice thread. And yep, I was real glad to see it. coco
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Martin Magpie
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09-30-2005 12:34
From: Cocoanut Koala On the topic, I didn't know about this early buying up of lifetime accounts, and I don't know if any of those who said I was unethical to buy a 512 First Land with my second account did that. On the other hand, I've been told that people DO such things as these, snapping up lots of land to make their contiguous spots. Common sense also tells me that probably most people - especially new people, who don't realize it is supposedly a huge no-no - who do get a second account and then also avail themselves of the 512 opportunity along with the other things that come with a new account. I have explained that while I was against buying up all the First Land for one's own land business, or just to make a quick profit, may indeed be unethical. On the other hand, it may also just provide a better service, in that how much a lot costs is probably less important than that it is right next to your own lot. At least that is true in my case. And I am pretty certain that others who criticized my action have done the same thing (some others, not all of the others) - bought a second account (a real account they intend to use) - and bought 512 with it, next to the land they already have. I don't see why this thread would be shut down, unless it is just to shut Martin up. Is it considered reposting of an old thread? Does that mean one can never discuss the subject again? I don't think that's what they mean by reposting an old thread. I've seen lots of threads closed, then the topic restarted by someone else. I think it means mainly reposting to complain about your old thread getting closed. Am I wrong? And thank you, Martin, for coming to my support. coco Firstly your very welcome, I am surprised no one else said a word about this before now. Typical tho. Ppl have been buying up first land with alt accounts from the very beginning even tho they have never admitted openly to doing such, they have in fact done it. Proof? I myself have done it as well as many many ppl I know. It was a a clever tactic to get ahead at the time. Just as when taxes came about ppl made alts and transferred their money to their alts you cannot take the taxes if the money is not in the players account. It's always been known as "a good business plan" now suddenly everyone is pointing fingers and saying "shame on you" I find that extremely hypocritical and laughable. You didn't do anything that hasn't been done a thousand times before. Mar
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Cocoanut Koala
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09-30-2005 12:34
Yep, Panda, it wasn't a nice post. But yep, I was glad to see it. coco
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Cristiano Midnight
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09-30-2005 12:36
From: JackBurton Faulkland I am confused is this true or false? The fact about Linden Lab offering lifetime accounts for $225 is true (they were cheaper during beta, $159 I think). They stopped offering them when they switched to having land tiers. As a compensation to those who had paid for a lifetime account, they included 4096m of tier instead of the 1024m of tier premium accounts got at the time (new users since then get 512m). Note this is all tier, NOT LAND. You still had to buy the land and the market rates - sometimes as high as $30/m or more when the land prices spiked.
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Pendari Lorentz
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09-30-2005 12:37
From: Cocoanut Koala To new residents: Martin (Catherine) is not SUPPOSED to get to post here. So sayeth the majority of voluable posters. I'm not supposed to post here, either, for that matter. But . . . I still do. Actually, it is ok if I post, as long as I don't point out any discomfiting truths. coco To new residents: The above statement is a lie. Unless you are suspended or banned from the forums, you are welcome to post here. Whether you agree or disagree with others, no one can keep you from posting. Anyone who says otherwise is lieing. Also please remember, disagreement does not equal personal attack. Unfortunatly some people think that if a person disagrees with them, then that person is attacking them. This is not true and should not be confused with true personal attacks.
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Martin Magpie
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09-30-2005 12:37
From: Cocoanut Koala On the topic, I didn't know about this early buying up of lifetime accounts, and I don't know if any of those who said I was unethical to buy a 512 First Land with my second account did that. On the other hand, I've been told that people DO such things as these, snapping up lots of land to make their contiguous spots. Common sense also tells me that probably most people - especially new people, who don't realize it is supposedly a huge no-no - who do get a second account and then also avail themselves of the 512 opportunity along with the other things that come with a new account. I have explained that while I was against buying up all the First Land for one's own land business, or just to make a quick profit, may indeed be unethical. On the other hand, it may also just provide a better service, in that how much a lot costs is probably less important than that it is right next to your own lot. At least that is true in my case. And I am pretty certain that others who criticized my action have done the same thing (some others, not all of the others) - bought a second account (a real account they intend to use) - and bought 512 with it, next to the land they already have. I don't see why this thread would be shut down, unless it is just to shut Martin up. Is it considered reposting of an old thread? Does that mean one can never discuss the subject again? I don't think that's what they mean by reposting an old thread. I've seen lots of threads closed, then the topic restarted by someone else. I think it means mainly reposting to complain about your old thread getting closed. Am I wrong? And thank you, Martin, for coming to my support. coco Firstly your very welcome, I am surprised no one else said a word about this before now. Typical tho. Ppl have been buying up first land with alt accounts from the very beginning even tho they have never admitted openly to doing such, they have in fact done it. Proof? I myself have done it as well as many many ppl I know. It was a a clever tactic to get ahead at the time. Just as when taxes came about ppl made alts and transferred their money to their alts you cannot take the taxes if the money is not in the players account. It's always been known as "a good business plan" now suddenly everyone is pointing fingers and saying "shame on you" I find that extremely hypocritical and laughable. You didn't do anything that hasn't been done a thousand times before. Mar
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Martin Magpie
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09-30-2005 12:36
From: Cocoanut Koala On the topic, I didn't know about this early buying up of lifetime accounts, and I don't know if any of those who said I was unethical to buy a 512 First Land with my second account did that. On the other hand, I've been told that people DO such things as these, snapping up lots of land to make their contiguous spots. Common sense also tells me that probably most people - especially new people, who don't realize it is supposedly a huge no-no - who do get a second account and then also avail themselves of the 512 opportunity along with the other things that come with a new account. I have explained that while I was against buying up all the First Land for one's own land business, or just to make a quick profit, may indeed be unethical. On the other hand, it may also just provide a better service, in that how much a lot costs is probably less important than that it is right next to your own lot. At least that is true in my case. And I am pretty certain that others who criticized my action have done the same thing (some others, not all of the others) - bought a second account (a real account they intend to use) - and bought 512 with it, next to the land they already have. I don't see why this thread would be shut down, unless it is just to shut Martin up. Is it considered reposting of an old thread? Does that mean one can never discuss the subject again? I don't think that's what they mean by reposting an old thread. I've seen lots of threads closed, then the topic restarted by someone else. I think it means mainly reposting to complain about your old thread getting closed. Am I wrong? And thank you, Martin, for coming to my support. coco Firstly your very welcome, I am surprised no one else said a word about this before now. Typical tho. Ppl have been buying up first land with alt accounts from the very beginning even tho they have never admitted openly to doing such, they have in fact done it. Proof? I myself have done it as well as many many ppl I know. It was a a clever tactic to get ahead at the time. Just as when taxes came about ppl made alts and transferred their money to their alts you cannot take the taxes if the money is not in the players account. It's always been known as "a good business plan" now suddenly everyone is pointing fingers and saying "shame on you" I find that extremely hypocritical and laughable. You didn't do anything that hasn't been done a thousand times before. Mar
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Cocoanut Koala
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09-30-2005 12:42
From: Weedy Herbst Coco, or should I say little bird? You accusations are ending you up in deep, deep water. You have absolutely no evidence that 4098s pick up land for resale. That is a blanket attack. You have no right to post imflammatory threads to justify you own hypocritcal posts. When you needed first land, you were quick to point out, everyone was out to game the system. Now you gamed the system, and are justifying your reasons to do so, by spreading untruths in the community. It's pathetic and shameful. No, this wasn't me. Yet again people assume I am going to stoop to something like that. The people who think UP something like that are the ones who would actually stoop to it. coco
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Martin Magpie
Catherine Cotton
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09-30-2005 12:44
Firstly your very welcome, I am surprised no one else said a word about this before now. Typical tho. Ppl have been buying up first land with alt accounts from the very beginning even tho they have never admitted openly to doing such, they have in fact done it. Proof? I myself have done it as well as many many ppl I know. It was a a clever tactic to get ahead at the time. Just as when taxes came about ppl made alts and transferred their money to their alts you cannot take the taxes if the money is not in the players account. It's always been known as "a good business plan" now suddenly everyone is pointing fingers and saying "shame on you" I find that extremely hypocritical and laughable.
You didn't do anything that hasn't been done a thousand times before.
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Weedy Herbst
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09-30-2005 12:45
From: Cocoanut Koala Yep, Panda, it wasn't a nice thread. And yep, I was real glad to see it. coco Nice response from so-called self appointed forum police against bullies, by supporting a banned griever who makes false imflammatory claims. Yes, the word of the day (again) is hypocricy.
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Martin Magpie
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09-30-2005 12:45
who was the little bird that told me about the thread? well it wasn't coco but i think its a non issue realy.
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Claire Glitterbuck
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09-30-2005 12:45
From: Weedy Herbst Coco, or should I say little bird? I'm the "little bird" in question here, not Coco. I was looking for clarification on the new TOS and ran across that thread, and was shocked at the postings against Coco for it - and then asked Martin about it. I did the very same thing with an alt account just last week, and didn't think twice about it - I certainly didn't see anything wrong with it. I'm paying full price for that account, LL certainly isn't cutting me any cost breaks - so I assumed the price reduction for First Land was included. I'm not trying to gouge the system, I'm not trying to take anything away from newbies. Just this past July when all of the land changes came about, Philip stated at a Town Hall that as the need for more land arose, they'd simply create more - and yes, I assumed that meant First Land as well. I didn't buy land adjoining anything I already own, I bought a tiny plot in the middle of nowhere, so my alt could have its own home. So, feel free to let the blasting begin! Until LL says that what I (and others) did is wrong, I'm going to keep that tiny plot and I just won't invite any of you over for supper!
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Cocoanut Koala
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09-30-2005 12:45
From: Cristiano Midnight I ask you, in all sincerity, how can you look at Catherine's abusive, expletive filled post and with a straight face say what you just said? How does that jive with the passage you are always quoting from the TOS/Guidelines about being respectful? Well, I wish they would be. But if everybody is going to get to fling poo at me, I'm kinda happy when someone flings it in the other direction. Why should it all go one-way? And because I'm not really all the St. Coco you, Cristiano, called me. coco
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Martin Magpie
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09-30-2005 12:46
QUOTE=JackBurton Faulkland]I am confused is this true or false?[/QUOTE]
Its absolutly true. No I cannot name names but yes its a fact. It was a good business decision at the time. If one could afford 15 lifetime accounts one bought them. At the time it was stupid not to.
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JackBurton Faulkland
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09-30-2005 12:46
From: Willow Zander Correction
cos (Catherine)[/ QUOTE]
is this the inverse of 1- sin(Willow)
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Beau Perkins
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09-30-2005 12:46
Files this whole thread under:
LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME
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Cocoanut Koala
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09-30-2005 12:48
From: pandastrong Fairplay Don't apologize to just Pendari. There are tons of us who you "accidentally" accused of acting unethically. It wasn't "accidental", Panda. It does read that way. Go back and see how I inserted in the correction. If you read the sentence without the correction, you will see how it can be read the way I intended it to be read. My mistake was only not making it clear enough. Not some kind of Freudian slip. You know me well enough to know by now I would not make the mistake of assuming EVERYONE who criticized me over that had done the exact same thing. That would be wrong and more than stupid. coco
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Willow Zander
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09-30-2005 12:48
From: JackBurton Faulkland From: Willow Zander Correction
cos (Catherine)[/ QUOTE]
is this the inverse of 1- sin(Willow) I like sin! I also like NON DRAMATIC FORUMS, but that just ain't a happenin'! Please don't take this thread too seriously, or any other overly dramatic WAA WAA thread either, we all like to vent now and again, it passes. 
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Jonquille Noir
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09-30-2005 12:48
From: Cocoanut Koala No, this wasn't me. Yet again people assume I am going to stoop to something like that. The people who think UP something like that are the ones who would actually stoop to it. coco 1 person is not 'people.' Why can't you just address the 1 person without having to exaggerate and dramatize it?
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Cristiano Midnight
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09-30-2005 12:48
From: Martin Magpie Firstly your very welcome, I am surprised no one else said a word about this before now. Typical tho. Ppl have been buying up first land with alt accounts from the very beginning even tho they have never admitted openly to doing such, they have in fact done it. Proof? I myself have done it as well as many many ppl I know. It was a a clever tactic to get ahead at the time. Just as when taxes came about ppl made alts and transferred their money to their alts you cannot take the taxes if the money is not in the players account. It's always been known as "a good business plan" now suddenly everyone is pointing fingers and saying "shame on you" I find that extremely hypocritical and laughable.
You didn't do anything that hasn't been done a thousand times before.
Mar Catherine, Land for the landless and First Land were both programs created specifically for new players to get a plot of land at $512L. It had nothing to do with taxes. People using their alt accounts to avoid their taxes has nothing to do with using an alt to buy a piece of land intended for someone who has never owned it before. I bought land within my first few minutes of being in SL, so I never used the land for landless or First Land program. Techinically, that would make me elligible to buy a plot now, but I wouldn't - because I don't need to get subsidized land. Neither did Cocoanut, that was the point. You keep trying to blur in a bunch of things because you think you have made some great point, but not much of what you have said makes any sense at all.
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09-30-2005 12:49
From: Martin Magpie Firstly your very welcome, I am surprised no one else said a word about this before now. Typical tho. Ppl have been buying up first land with alt accounts from the very beginning even tho they have never admitted openly to doing such, they have in fact done it. Proof? I myself have done it as well as many many ppl I know. It was a a clever tactic to get ahead at the time. Just as when taxes came about ppl made alts and transferred their money to their alts you cannot take the taxes if the money is not in the players account. It's always been known as "a good business plan" now suddenly everyone is pointing fingers and saying "shame on you" I find that extremely hypocritical and laughable.
You didn't do anything that hasn't been done a thousand times before.
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JackBurton Faulkland
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09-30-2005 12:49
From: Cristiano Midnight The fact about Linden Lab offering lifetime accounts for $225 is true (they were cheaper during beta, $159 I think). They stopped offering them when they switched to having land tiers. As a compensation to those who had paid for a lifetime account, they included 4096m of tier instead of the 1024m of tier premium accounts got at the time (new users since then get 512m). Note this is all tier, NOT LAND. You still had to buy the land and the market rates - sometimes as high as $30/m or more when the land prices spiked. dam i just want that land! i dont care about all this jazz. Thanks for answering my Q though 
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Martin Magpie
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09-30-2005 12:51
please address me as Mar Thanks Mar
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Pendari Lorentz
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09-30-2005 12:51
From: Cocoanut Koala Well, I wish they would be. But if everybody is going to get to fling poo at me, I'm kinda happy when someone flings it in the other direction. Why should it all go one-way? And because I'm not really all the St. Coco you, Cristiano, called me.
I will never again respect anything you say after this post. I'm sorry I had any hope left that you were not two-faced. 
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Cristiano Midnight
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09-30-2005 12:51
From: Cocoanut Koala Well, I wish they would be. But if everybody is going to get to fling poo at me, I'm kinda happy when someone flings it in the other direction. Why should it all go one-way? And because I'm not really all the St. Coco you, Cristiano, called me. coco Then do kindly be quiet about people flinging poo. You are fine when it is someone doing it on your behalf, but not fine when it is other people "flinging poo". Whatever.
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