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Neaultenberg is Necessary

Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
Join date: 10 Jun 2004
Posts: 6,382
11-24-2004 15:55
From: Nolan Nash
Philip Linden: so I can't see how LL's system could beat a good resident system,

This is the key word for me. In my opinion and in my personal experience in other online environs which have made similiar attempts, this is all but impossible due to the impersonal nature of the beast and the cliques that already exist and those which will form as a result of such an institution.
How does having a jury of randomly selected peers sound to you? I agree, that I don't want a single player or clique of players making Linden-like decisions. However, nothing works better than a randomly selected group of peers just like you that can hear your argument and then make a decision based on the facts.

This is the system I hope to implement in the city as soon as possible. Anyone who joined would have the right to a hearing with a randomly selected group of their peers making the final decision. How do you feel about this?

~Ulrika~
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
Posts: 7,141
11-24-2004 15:58
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
How does having a jury of randomly selected piers sound to you? I agree, that I don't want a single player or clique of players making Linden-like decisions. However, nothing works better than a randomly selected group of piers just like you that can hear your argument and then make a decision based on the facts.

This is the system I hope to implement in the city as soon as possible. Anyone who joined would have the right to a hearing with a randomly selected group of their piers making the final decision. How do you feel about this?

~Ulrika~



Actually that sounds like a good idea Ulrika, cuts that issue I stated above right off at the knees, so simple yet highly effective in theory.

Edit to add: (humor) Will we get a paltry per diem and maybe say, a bottle of water and a Twix bar? LOL (My roomie was just a juror on a federal case and they gave him 40 bucks a day, a bottle of water and a candy bar.) :)
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Toy LaFollette
I eat paintchips
Join date: 11 Feb 2004
Posts: 2,359
11-24-2004 16:10
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
How does having a jury of randomly selected piers sound to you? I agree, that I don't want a single player or clique of players making Linden-like decisions. However, nothing works better than a randomly selected group of piers just like you that can hear your argument and then make a decision based on the facts.

This is the system I hope to implement in the city as soon as possible. Anyone who joined would have the right to a hearing with a randomly selected group of their piers making the final decision. How do you feel about this?

~Ulrika~

Sounds great, the problem being its not needed and would have no control to hand down decisions unless the party broke a TOS or CS rule. In that case its already handled.
Guess if it comes to that I will wall up Jenner and become a hermit :)
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
Posts: 7,141
11-24-2004 16:27
Hoping for a little more input from Robin possibly on the point Toy brings up above:

Does LL mean, when they say that they would like a player based system, that CS and/or ToS violations would be handled by a player body? The way I am interpreting I think the answer is yes. Robin?
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blaze Spinnaker
1/2 Serious
Join date: 12 Aug 2004
Posts: 5,898
11-24-2004 17:36
I agree we all need to fight LL to not get involved in player governments (except perhaps for some broad functionality, FULLY available across the board..)

However, we as players should learn how to get along.

I also think having a wide range of diverse 'nations' could be a lot of fun.
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Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
Join date: 10 Jun 2004
Posts: 6,382
11-24-2004 17:39
From: blaze Spinnaker
I also think having a wide range of diverse 'nations' could be a lot of fun.
War between Jessie and Neualtenburg: Is it upon us?

~Ulrika~
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
Posts: 7,141
11-24-2004 17:43
From: blaze Spinnaker

However, we as players should learn how to get along.


To some extent, SL is a reflection of RL. We don't get along in RL, not even in our own countries. Just look at the reps vs. dems the last few years. Bosnia. Iraq. Al Qaeda. Northern Ireland. China/Taiwan. The Phillipines. North Korea. Chechnya. This list could go on and on. It's impossible for us *to all get along*. So we have some flame fests here in the forums. We have a few griefers in world, and a few players who milk the system at the expense of others. It's really all trivial in comparison to RL. I think (and I am guilty of it too) that a lot of us take the relatively minor things (as far as real impact goes) too seriously.
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Michi Lumin
Sharp and Pointy
Join date: 14 Oct 2003
Posts: 1,793
11-24-2004 18:16
Neualtenberg as SL's government? Wait a minute, are we talking about player-run government, run by Ulrika and friends of Ulrika?

Man. I knew she thought she was the most important person in SL, and I know other people thought that, but I didn't know it was going -this- far.
Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
Posts: 7,141
11-24-2004 18:20
I would also like to add that I think that the Lindens realized from the onset that we would not and could not all get along, hence the ability to negatively rate others, although I think that system is juvenile, gameable and overall a dismal failure.
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