Neaultenberg is Necessary

Ah, now you've overplayed your charm! I am no unicorn -- I am the Walrus.... Koo Koo Ki-choo!

I'll IM you when I say goodbye to these beautiful senoritas, abandon this paradisical beach, and return home to the dreary realities of Running the Entire World.

Yannow, the big irony with N.berg is the fact that German Philoshophy evolved into Nationalism, which when it had applied hard times, became fascism.

There's a reason why "The Enlightenment" was not the final philosophical movement in RL. Ever consider that, Ulrika?

One of the best methods of silencing critics is to pull them into the fold.

Wait, I thought you just just told us this thread had run it's course and was over?

When the music's over .... turn out the lights... turn out the lights.... turn out the lights!

Yes, I said that. And now we enter the sentimental / ironic reflection period of a thread, where we sprinkle witty comments and personal shout-outs until the thread fades into ubiquity. =)

Witty comments or parental directives?

inanities from the peanut gallery

Nah, Hiro is my alt. I use him strategically to bump my threads.

Nolan,

Yeah I don't think they see it that way either. However, they're going to soon find out that nobody really wants to be bossed around unless it's utterly necessary. Dispute resolution is the only time it's necessary. I repeat this quote by Thomas Jefferson:

"It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself." -Thomas Jefferson.

Hiro,

Ubiquity?

Did you mean that?

Funny, I had the same thought Selador.

Okay, I guess it's a stretch... when something is known by everyone it becomes common, boring. I probably should have stayed in the safe realm of "obscurity" instead.

Nationalism was invented in Revolutionary France under the Jacobins and Napoleon -- liberal capitalist extremists who exercised representational democracy in very bloody ways.... Fascism was a post-modernist turn away from materialism to the idea of human "will" and "spirit" and "destiny", exercised collectively.

Not that it matters -- I doubt you'll see anything in SL more autocratic or "cult-of-personality-like" than the deference toward and corporate policies of Linden Lab. And that's just plain capitalism, branding, and product loyalty.

Personally I find collective hysteria or apathy a bit more alarming than Ulrika's Plans to Take Over the World.

I think I told her that, Nolan. And then she had the audacity to call me a unicorn.

Wow, this thread still hasn't died out yet? And before blaze says anything...I didn't bump this post because it was already at the top.

I'm thinking more of a gryphon.

Eh? Nationalism as a word started with the first nation states, which started with the Peace of Westphalia, which was a bit over a 100 years before Napoleon was even born.

But really, nationalism has been around since time the time of the greeks if not even before.



Oh there is some nitpicking left to do, I think..

You're just jealous because right now I'm leaning up against a palm tree watching the warm sun rise across these glowing tropical seas, and well, you're in.... Brooklyn.

Tell you what. Fly down here and I'll pick you up at the airport and take you to lunch. And then we can sit on the sands and talk politics in Second Life and you can show me how wrong I am.




Naw, you're wrong. Nationalism is not about the creation of nation-states. Nationalism is about the identification and loyalty of the great majority of a nation's citizens with a nation's culture, symbols, and legacies. Identification and loyalties that can be shaped by national leaders with sometimes-frightening results. Peasants and commercial classes never embraced nationalism, never knew what it was until Revolutionary France's wars against the rest of Europe. A nineteenth and twentieth century phenomenon.

I'm incredibly jealous

OMG!!! I was on my way to bed and meant to addess my post to blaze!!! Please forgive me, Nolan.... We have many of the same feelings about this and I would never have made the post to you

At this point I am going to refrain from posting further on this topic as it will be construde that I am either attacking an individual or group of individuals with my personal opinion.

Sometimes silence is a better than incessant banter.

Shadow

19.     DONOVAN POWERS ESCAPES FROM DR. ULRIKAS SECRET LAIR             19.

        Deep in the interior of the New Member Welcome Area hides
        Dr. Ulrika's Secret Lair.  Towering grey computers line the
        voluminous room.  Various devices are scattered about the
        floor of the room with labels such as, "Forum Trolling Device",
        "SL Player Subjugator", and "Shadow Weaver to English Translator".
        In the center of the laboratory sits a minimalist modern table
        with clear plexiglas seats.

        Donvan Powers is wearing a navy velvet suit, ruffled dickie,
        and thick glasses.  Dr. Ulrika is dressed in silver and gray.
        Her miniature sidekick Mini Haney stands on the table by
        her side.  Several guards lie on the floor unconscious.

                                  DONOVAN POWERS
                       You can't keep me confined to a chair, 
                       don't you know that nationalism was 
                       invented in Revolutionary France under 
                       the Jacobins and Napoleon -- liberal 
                       capitalist extremists who exercised 
                       representational democracy in very bloody 
                       ways?  Yeah baby!

                                  DR. ULRIKA
                       I think you're waxing obtuse as a defensive 
                       mechanism because I kidnaped you held you
                       in my secret lair.  I will drain your mind and
                       add its power to my nation state!

                                  DONOVAN POWERS
                       Nationalism is about the identification 
                       and loyalty of the great majority of a 
                       nation's citizens with a nation's culture, 
                       symbols, and legacies.  You can't drain that
                       Dr. Ulrika, it's all about mojo baby, yeah.

                                  MINI HANEY
                       Please don't associate LL with your 
                       evil plan to take over SL.

                                  DR. ULRIKA
                       Mini Haney, you are so sweet.  Yes you are!
                       Who's the sweet Mini Haney?  You are!  Do
                       you want a treat?  Do you?

        Donvan Powers slowly slips out of the room and enters 
        Dr. Ulrika's escape pod.  The pod launches and Donovan Powers
        escapes.

                                  DR. ULRIKA
                       No, I love you, Mini Haney  No, I love you. ...
                       Drat!  He escaped.  Mark my words Donovan
                       Powers, you will be part of my project
                       one way or another.  Muhahaha.  Muhahahaha.
                       MUhahaha!  MUHAHAHA!

        Fade to external shot of the secret lair with newbies running
        around talking to parrots and tossing beach balls about.

~Ulrika~

You: LordJason Kiesler: Would a judiciary system ran by LL be any better than the already in place abuse reporting, as in, will things be randomly be taken care of, and the rest just get auto formatted replies that solve nothing?

Philip Linden: There are more people available in SL than at LL, and people who are closer to the issues,
Philip Linden: so I can't see how LL's system could beat a good resident system,


you see! i'm not completely crazy after all..

Thank you Blaze for that note and reaffirming why once again I am Firmly Against a Player Run Government.

But not detracting from your statement. If that statement is taken out of context from a Linden lab announcement or town hall meeting Please post a link instead hand typed requote.

Thank you for clarity

Sincerely, Shadow

Philip Linden: There are more people available in SL than at LL, and people who are closer to the issues
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If LL introduce player government or a judiciary system, despite reading the long thread where 95 percent of residents were vehemently against, he will have plenty of staff - a large number of us will be logging off for good.

Latonia

Philip Linden: so I can't see how LL's system could beat a good resident system,

This is the key word for me. In my opinion and in my personal experience in other online environs which have made similiar attempts, this is all but impossible due to the impersonal nature of the beast and the cliques that already exist and those which will form as a result of such an institution. Heck, LL practically promotes and encourages cliques which is represented by the ability to create them, i.e. groups.

I think, Phillip, if this actually comes to be, you will turn off a lot of folks to SL, both those already residing within the community and prospective new members. Maybe you're looking for a different type of customer base, I dunno.