I guess Social Democratic is a code word for Totalitarianism

and they are?

really now...I answered your questiona and thats your responce?
actually you haven't read anything there have you? If you join to post serious comments and are genuine in your responces how would that be a bad thing?

No ..I'm countering lies and crap from people that have no clue but just want to bash the project...you can have all the opinions you want...if you want your opinions to mean something and count in the project then join...otherwise your opinions aren't doing much are they?

Thats just bullshit and you know it...have you been silenced? Again if you want to have a voice in the project then join ...if not don't tell me your opinion should matter.

The appropriate place is where you aren't interfearing with a group just because you want to. Post in any forum you like. You can even post in our group forum but unless you are a member you won't be allowed to post to any threads where decisions, policy, and or debate about our project is ongoing because you aren't a member and you shouldn't have a say in our groups activities unless you are.

I am pretty sure group-think is something they are trying to encourage. They have lots of very intricate, fascinating, genuinely brilliant if completely unwise things they are doing.

Don't worry, Pendari. Wisdom is sometimes overrated.

Stone, we can accept outside opinions, though they are better placed not within threads where we are seriously trying to hash out details. If someone comes to our group forum and places a new thread that has some opinions in it, as long as there is no personal attacking, I doubt seriously we would feel the need to delete the thread. What is acceptable for outsiders to post in our group forum is something we are discussing. Another appropriate place to discuss issues with us in within any of the other public forums within valid categories. But I'm sorry, even if we haven't decided yet it is the action we want to take, we do reserve the right to delete posts in our group forum that are counter productive. I didn't say critical, but I think by now you should understand what types of posts we mean.

And yes, we are working on a propsal for qualifications for citizenship. However they are more along the lines of anyone can join but lets have these simple requirements. They are not going to be so harsh as to really keep anyone out. But within the laws we are making and such, there could be a chance someone could lose a government position etc. Again, these would be in keeping with the laws we pass. A judicial system will be in place as well.

group think is the least problem.

group membership is an odd threshhold for measuring the validity of an opinion.

what my opinions achieve is satisfactory to me.

it's not bullshit. you don't want certain opinions. that's silencing people. you justify your silencing based on group membership. however, how unhappy will you be if people simply joing the group to post? will you then complain about the validity of their membership?

it's true you can do as you please, but keep in mind, it is an interesting commentary about your government.

keep in mind, i'm really trying to convince you to do any particular thing - beyond thinking through what you are actually doing. what you do has a net effect.

Cat,

Maybe we can all keep the offensive language to a minimum .. and I think we all have a right to our ideas, as long as we present them politely.

Ok guys I am going to break one of my own rules about bringing rl into sl here. I will try to brief and to the point.

One thing that disturbs me about all this is Ulrika's recent statements on Haneys blog. In particular her personal views as listed here:

http://secondlife.blogs.com/nwn/2004/11/red_staters_mee_4.html

Its one thing to stand back and judge one countries politics, its another to beable to see it from the inside.

I take some of those remarks personaly. I lived in fear for 4 long years when I lived in the middle east 1997-2001 I was living very close to Yemen when the USS Cole was bombed. I lived threw arabs spitting on me becuase I was American. I lived threw a sniper trying to kill me and my family. In Khamis Mushayt, Saudi Arabia. Feel free to look it up on the news wires. It happened. This all occured before 9-11-01 What was my crime? I was an American woman. I arrived back in the US on 9-6-01. On a flight from the middle east.

So when your standing on the side lines spouting your political bullshit keep in mind that at least one SL resident lived threw a hell of a lot more than you can imagine.

There are middle eastern groups that believe if they kill Americans, Ali will grant into the kingdom of heaven and give them 100 virgins.

Unless you have been in the shit, you have no right to stand on the side lines and spout the bullshit you do.

Now here is the kicker, for the first time in 18 years I will be spending Christmas alone, because my husband is in Uzbekistan. As a US civilian doing a job that few can do to support our troops over in the middle east. Why can't I be there? Its too dangerous.

I can imagine now you know my views.

Cat

Boo Hoo .. you have no idea what any one of us have been through dear so stop being so self rightous. To be even more exact this has absolutely nothing to do with our project ...this isn't real life.

Yes Catherine. I think a lot of people know where Ulrika stands on RL political issues. Her and I are about polar opposites almost. hehe.. I'm not the only one in the project that has very different RL political views than her either. But, the diversity in the group is what really brings about some great thoughts and ideas. Our focus is on issues within our SL world. However, the city will be an event area as well and we will not squelch free speech. Any events that focus on RL issues will be at the hands of the host that is putting on the event. It does not mean that every event that happens bears the opinion of Neaultenburg citizens as a whole.

Of the 3 Governmental Branches we have:
1) Leftist meritocracy
2) Rightist Randian corporatism
3) Constitutional moderate democracy

So a lot of different viewpoints are getting out in the project.

And of course this project is about an online community. It goes beyond just us making a government also. We are basically working on a fully functioning city. The government is just one aspect of the entire project. Granted the hardest one, but still only one part of it.

We are not always going to agree on everything. I could hate my neighbor, but if he is a citizen then that is what he is. It is just on a smaller scale but is no different really than the community at large.

Oh man...

I hope my words don't fall on deaf ears. I also hope it explains why I have been so touchy lately.


I did't speak out to be self rightous. My point was that words in these forums can have rl implications. I am sorry you hate so much.

Cat

I am removing this post because the crule intentions of some in these forums are so beyond my perception of evil that I fear for their souls.

I don't hate Cat....but you interject things that have no revelance in a way that suggests we are less than you because we haven't lived through your struggles. Each one of us has had baggage to carry .

I am removing this post because the crule intentions of some in these forums are so beyond my perception of evil that I fear for their souls.

You should've removed it, as it seemed to have little, if any, relevance to Nuealtenburg and this discussion.

I could be wrong though.

Thanks Juro but I have enough heartache right now I dont need to invite the idoits to prove their vast ignorance.

meet me in a M area so I can tell you what I realy think of your opinion. If I say it now I will definatly be banned. Let me sum it up by saying ANYTHING you have to say in the future means NOTHING. So dont even bother hitting the reply.

If ingnorance is bliss some ppl are in hog heaven.

Pen I would feel much better if you were heading the group.

The Representative Assembly (RA) is a body of democratically
elected factions which represent different ideological views
of its citizens. Its governmental role is to pass laws and
its service role is to promote the city and perform long-term
planning.

Don't get testy girl... I was just saying that from my viewpoint your story didn't really fit in.. I was scratchin my proverbial head.

I am sorry that you had to go through that sort of terror. Noone should go through that. I'm glad you made it out alive.

hehe.. If I started walking through the city with Pen for President signs in my hand, I imagine I'd get chased with a pitchfork!

Seriously though. One thing most don't realize about our government is that no one person will have all the power. The three branches will work together, each with their specific policies and areas of focus, but with checks and balances in place to make sure that no one branch ever has more power than another.


For instance, I am very much interested and hopeful to be elected to The Representative Assembly:



I would like to be in this assembly because I feel I would do well with its main roles. However, if I am elected to this Assembly, for as long as I am in office, then I could not move into a Meister position in The Artisanal Branch. The reason being is that it would give too much power to one person.

So we have been working very hard to put checks and balances into place. And once our government "goes live", there will be no one leader. And it is my hope that we can help make this understood about our government and ultimately our project. As I do believe it would help with some concerns.