I guess Social Democratic is a code word for Totalitarianism

What an awful idea, then you become a secretive govt. Yes I would be concerned with PR too.

I hope so Pen.. scary thinking that they would be deleting threads and then filing libel suits. I hope you guys get it all worked out.


I hear Ulrika isn't posting to the General forums on behalf of the group anymore, so let me direct this at her:

Probably not the best idea to delete threads, even if it is within your rights.

Bad, bad idea to mention filing a libel suit, considering the uphill battle you guys are already facing.

Again, best wishes on the project, I'm very interested to see how it all comes together.



Remember folks: express your dissenting views as OPINIONS to avoid the potential of a libel suit.

Here we are.. 'again'.

now Im more confused....l what in my post made you think I wasnt being civil? Being civil doesnt mean I wont post my true feelings on this or any subject. Sorry if you took it that way.

LOL Cat! Thank you for proving me right

But honestly, don't you think they have a right to somewhere to discuss internal matters without people butting in? How will the experiment ever get anywhere if they cant get anything decided?

You could always join the project and express that view Catherine.

I'm surprised she's not already a member. I would've thought the ideals were up her alley. And no, I'm not being sarcastic.

Sorry Toy. When you said "Dont bother to reply. I got my answer.", I took it as condecending. I apologize if I misunderstood.

Oh good lord, Catherine. Thank you for at least staying true to form. VERTU has both a public and private forum, they are nefarious too! Make sure you don't donate. Evil evil evil!!!

I will pass your input along Juro. And there are already others in the group that feel the same way. It is rough when you are constantly having to defend yourself at all angles. Certainly not something I'm used to. hehe. Some knee jerk reactions are bound to happy when you get worn down.

This is a highly interesting turn of events however, this time I will sit back and watch it unfold for a change. Especially considering the "Threat" of "Libel".

Shadow

Well. Ulrika is now taking a break from the project and leaving it in our hands for a while. So all you who dislike it just because Ulrika was the one talking about it, well, time to find something new to dislike!

I hear ya Pen... It will all cool down, but I think the lesson for the day should be: what it appears to be is not always what it is.

PR and Containment should be high on the priority list.. which I'm sure it is.

Good luck with the project!

Ulrika undeleted Mal's post by the way. Just so it is known.

Censoring someone for calling a person a pussy is different then censoring someone making a valid point wouldn't you agree? Not that happened in this case but it has happened before.

Either way all posts should stay there for the mere fact that all the conspiracy theorists and sky is falling people don't freak and make posts like this?

Yes people we are out to takeover SL, rape your dogs, and eat all your hot dogs.....and the sky really is falling...

Seriously. Wow!

rape my dog? FREAK

Thanks Cris I will remember that the next time I want to dontate to VERTU good PR!

now where were we? Oh yes threat of libel and secret gov't forums.

Bad and bad. Seriously you guys realy are up against a lot just trying to form a gov't (one that I am curious about.) As I have stated in the past I am not completly against gov't in sl I am trying to keep an open mind here. You guys are just making it real hard right now.

Cat

Great. A secret society within a microsociety. Secret meetings with unpublished "minutes". Internal dificulties result in silencing - and then the leadership assumes the public position of "victim" for "public relations" purposes.

Silencing - what an interesting euphemism for quashing dissent. Isn't it? And it's a charge that can be levied in ether direction in a confrontational discussion - especially one where egos and positions are intertwined and one/two people can't seem to keep the two separate.

This all sounds very, very familiar. The last time I remember it happening real world - well, let's just say it was an 80-year experiment that failed miserably and the world is still paying the price for that failure.

The following historical figures had a similar "beginning" - you might remember...
Lenin
Mussolini
Hitler
Chairman Mao

Let's see what names they called themselves... Socialist/Communists, Fascisti, National Socialists, Communist. Yep.. the public recognition is already "there" for calling this spade the spade that it already is - or is well down the road to becoming.

Obviously, the middle two were not communists though some of their writings paralelled the earlist communist manifestos (not speaking of Chairman Mao's little red book here).

PR? You need PR? Look what it did for these guys... But if you really want PR then may I suggest that you cunsult he "mouth from the South", James Carville. The Project could certainly use some "blindered" public relations statements for public dissemination.


If I remember correctly, didn't the group's current leaders say something publicly about having no secret meetings? Isn't a private forum "for uninterrupted" communication equivalent to having secret meetings? Isn't deleting dissenting posts equivalent to Nixon's erasure of some embarrassing tapes? Hmmm.. The Project is for free speech, huh? Interesting.

BTW, this is a public, not a group forum, so I consider myself "invited and entitiled" to comment.

Cat,

We are trying something new...and we're human...humans fuck up here and there. We haven't started a war...yet.

We can and will make mistakes...and I have no doubt someone will bring every one up and throw it in our faces...least we have the balls to make the mistakes.

Nolan where are you ....I got Popcorn made...LOL

My pleasure, darlin'.

Oh i am here.

Passes Nolan a bowl and sits back to Listen for a change.