A call for ALL new land release to be URGENTLY SUSPENDED

Yes, I looked. It looks to me like Philo probably entered the last bid manually instead of making it a proxy. You could also IM him and ask if it's that perplexing.

Go back through the forum archives on public land, land scanners, and land barons and Your sure to find info.

Oh we're still around Goyan. Its just that most of us want to enjoy ourselves instead of getting intrenched in varying forum debates.

Me, I perfer to listen in on such discussions. Not that I'm a masochist, but more because there are aspects to SL that I can follow and apply with my knowledge from work, and not get in trouble RL for insider info or other Corporate Ethics stuff.

Back on topic - From Phil's discussion, it basically boils down to the fact that LL will no longer release new sims for auction, unless on demand. They'll still rollout First Land. (I'm ignoreing all the tier stuff as that is currently 100% speculation right now.)

So in effect part of what you want is done, no new land is being released unless demanded within. Saves everyone time, from the end user up to LL.

Now, island costs fixed higher than the starting bid for whole parcel sims - At the barest level, the difference in costs is for access to the Estate Tools, specialized terraforming, and/or a guarantee that you'll get a price you're happy with. One person (as mentioned above) recently paid $1800 on auction, but this may just be short-term fighting and will have to see in a few more months.

So today, if I wanted a fair and less expensive chance of getting one sim to just work on a big project, I'd still take the Island since its cheaper and simpler to aquire. In a few months perhaps, that may change and I'd shop for a sim on the mainland and kick off an auction (barring I don't need the other two requirements above that are unique to Islands). And that's it to me really, nice and simple. Of course I'm not into monetary profit, but a social one.

For sims released still as First Land, I don't see a huge issue with that. Do not see how or why you'd want to restrict that, since even if its only a few prims on that 512 its still a place to work from and to set as 'home' instead of the WA.

OK, LL has now switched over to the whole-sim-only auctions... and there is no sign of how anyone asks for a new sim to be placed for sale. Already we're seeing auctions head to nearly double the initial price! What gives!?

Well Ellie, I guess you got your wish - cheap land appears to be history - unless someone can post the instructions for getting LL to sell more sims?

Expensive land only exists while someone is willing to pay for it.

If not enough people buy - someone is left holding the bag..

Given enough time, water will wear down the mountain

The only advice I can give is to pay what you think the land is worth - what you are willing to spend on it, and not what someone else dictates. It's the people who have the real power - I just think they occasionally get duped into thinking they dont.

Siggy.

Oh God, will you guys keep doing this to me forever? Its stability I wanted. I would have objected if the price was going UP too fast in the same way, with my public-interest hat on.
Yes, I have a bit more land than I need, so my private-interest hat might have been pleased. But surely in forum its the public interest we debate more about ?

On the actual situation - yes Ananda - I too can find no sign of the big bundle of auctions sitting waiting for us to kick them into life. Just a very few running auctions, and a sky-high price, which with my public interest bonnet, and my "stability" bees in it, I deplore as much as you seem to.

Some of the best advice in SL!

I'm sorry Ellie, I guess I keep seeing your thread title when I come back to this. I realize further down you are arguing for price stability. It's just a knee-jerk reaction to assume that anyone who wants to clamp down on all new sims realizes that would actually cause the price to skyrocket.

I hope we do hear some kind of word about these sim releases soon! I don't plan on buying or selling any land soon, maybe not ever, but some action backing up the apparent intent would be nice.

Siggy, if the new auctions are not going to be on-demand and available to everyone, I'm afraid we small-time residents will have no control over land prices. Unless, of course, you are talking about everyone just abandoning SL until things get straightened out.

Not anything as drastic or extreme... Just telling people not to put themselves into hock over virtual dirt should the price go sky high.

Those that have land -- hold off on that expansion until you find something that you think is worth the price... be it 2bucks a meter or 10 bucks a meter. Think in terms of what it means to you, not that someone says 'flat mature telehub riverside great plot!!!!'.
Spend only what you is in your means, spend only what your comfortable with.

For those without - of those just starting : Hunt around.. as prices go up so does competition... don't go putting the grocery money through GOM or IGE because someone has said 'this is a great bargain!' ... hunt and find your own bargain...
Remember, the harder someone is pressuring you to buy -- the more THEY need the sale, not the more YOU need what they offer!

And lastly Land for the Landless isn't going away..

Be patient, be vigilant, and be rewarded.


Siggy.