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Lianne Marten
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07-24-2005 20:14
Yeah... people who disagree shouldn't be allowed to talk about things. It just complicates everything.
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Zack Cline
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07-24-2005 20:15
It came out wrong. I mean if you plan on hijacking the thread just because its about a Virtual World platform you don't like then don't reply.
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Leilany LaFollette
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07-24-2005 20:27
It came out wrong. I mean if you plan on hijacking the thread just because its about a Virtual World platform you don't like then don't reply. I didn't plan on hijacking it, I *really* wanted Lordfly to marry me... really ![]() ![]() *hugs* Leilany _____________________
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Zack Cline
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07-24-2005 20:37
I didn't plan on hijacking it, I *really* wanted Lordfly to marry me... really ![]() ![]() *hugs* Leilany Just a question, have you ever offered There a "peace offering"? Ever heard of the Sumit Of Worlds? It was an idea A There member had. Second Life, VZones, AW, OW, and IMVU repersenatives would gather in a bimp over iVillege. But the project was cancled after a few people suggested Second Life reps might attempt to take control of the blimp. A logical suggestion by the looks of it... |
Leilany LaFollette
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07-24-2005 20:41
But the project was cancled after a few people suggested Second Life reps might attempt to take control of the blimb. A logical suggestion by the looks of it... Wow, that is *truly* evil!! I think I'm going to go *There* instead. You should do the same, Zack before it's too late to save yourself!!! ![]() _____________________
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Zack Cline
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07-24-2005 20:45
Wow, that is *truly* evil!! I think I'm going to go *There* instead. You should do the same, Zack before it's too late to save yourself!!! ![]() Well for the most part Second Life is great. The fact is reps who are chosen by the community would be mostly stuck up and stubbern. They would rather crash into the ground and crash a server then make a friendship with another world. |
Jillian Callahan
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07-24-2005 20:47
Well for the most part Second Life is great. The fact is reps who are chosen by the community would be mostly stuck up and stubbern. They would rather crash into the ground and crash a server then make a friendship with another world. Have you taken a step back from what you're saying and really examined it? _____________________
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Zack Cline
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07-24-2005 20:54
Wow, you sure have a high opinion of the SL community. Have you taken a step back from what you're saying and really examined it? Well from the looks of it my thread that mentioned There got hijacked. I bet if Philip Linden started a thread about There it would get hijacked too. Thats all I need to form my opinion. |
Lordfly Digeridoo
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07-24-2005 21:15
Well from the looks of it my thread that mentioned There got hijacked. I bet if Philip Linden started a thread about There it would get hijacked too. Thats all I need to form my opinion. How is it getting hijacked? People are refuting your hyperbolic statements, and you're continuing to ignore them. Ignore them enough times, and OF COURSE it's going to go off track, by your own fault. Christ almighty. Talk about fanaticism... LF _____________________
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Madame Maracas
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07-24-2005 21:37
Tpppppppphpt. So I take it there's no flirting in There, and everyone behaves like they're in the first act of a bad 70's sci-fi sexual morality tale? ![]() I took a look at some of the screenshots at www.there.com. A couple of thoughts come to mind:
![]() Point 1, yes it's a pretty world, and not over crowded, lots of open fields, mountain tops and valleys to explore that are free from any type of structure. System buildings follow an uniform aesthetic for each area/story/history, they're beautifully textured and styled. The vehicles RAWK! Buggies drive well and pretty smoothly (I'll address lag in a second), hover craft are even smoother and more maneuverable. There are race tracks and diy track building kits that are free or nearly so as skill building rewards. I miss vehicles sorely. Short answer: Still laggy, don't think it's better. The lag here is less intrusive, to me at least. Lag in there is I'd say about the same amount of hinderance, maybe more (it's been a while since I spend a sizeable amount of time There), but manifests slightly diffferently due to the server duties being handled differently. Rubberbanding, the type we get crossing sim borders in vehicles is much more of what you experience there, more frequently. The ghosting/non-rezzing of textures and structures happens there too, subtly differently but once you see it, you'll know what it is. The one that's really different is that they have all the Spades (system game) tables on one server, oh if my info is out of date, its' about a year old, so I apologize. So if that server crashes, EVERYONE's spades game dies, world wide, which sucks in a really obscene way. Chat text lag is more frequent than here but same mechanism as packet loss/getting out of sync w/the server here will do for you. There is NOT less expensive for the bulk of it's players. In SL one can get along on the 1st level premium acct pretty reasonably. To get by on the same USD input in There, you'd best not like fancy anything! Last I checked 2,000 Tbux = $1 USD, and if we go w/$1 USD = 250L for comparison, let's look at expenses. Decent buggy ~ 15,000T (7.50 USD), Hammerhead shuttle ~ 350L (1.4 USD), Pants and Top, premium designer ~ 12,000T total ($7 USD), pants and top, premium designer ~ 1,400L (5.6L) on and on. Oh and about sex. Folks are cybering there, just not humping in nightclubs, well the avies don't. But you can sit on a couch and do a sweet lil kiss anim just about anyplace! Still don't know why he's defending folks he can't face from folks he's willing to do a contrary emulation of, but hey, soapbox away, man! _____________________
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Jillian Callahan
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07-24-2005 22:12
Well from the looks of it my thread that mentioned There got hijacked. I bet if Philip Linden started a thread about There it would get hijacked too. Thats all I need to form my opinion. _____________________
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Enabran Templar
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07-24-2005 22:52
Lord, this thread is comedy gold.
If There sucks so badly that all I have to do is tell people about Second Life and they'll jump ship immediately, no amount of kvetching on the OP's part is going to fix that. Lordfly is Second Life's king of fisking, btw. Brilliant work on this one. Hmm. I want to throw in something else. But it's so ridiculous I don't know where to start. Has There REALLY cost billions of dollars? I hope not. Yeah, that's all I've got. _____________________
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Byron McHenry
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07-24-2005 23:10
well are we quick to forget that in sl all content is ceated by users not lindedns lindens creats stuff aswell but their job isnt to create the world just manage it in sorts . what that means the possiblitiies are endless depending on how much you want to learn if its verry little you will find your self hanging around like in there.
sl potentially has more to offer than there but if content dose not continue to exceed by leap and bounds it not going to matter they will catch up. |
Cocoanut Koala
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07-25-2005 01:23
Zack, there are a number of There players here, just as there are a number of TSO players. Travis Lambert often hosts gatherings for these players at the Shelter (I believe I have this right, and I believe he still does). I bet you could hook up with some There players there.
I know one person who plays both There and SL, depending on her mood. I hope you enjoy your time in SL! coco |
Oz Spade
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07-25-2005 02:02
There is nothing wrong with there being two or more virtual worlds. There is also nothing wrong with telling people about either one of them. I've sat and had conversations with people in all virtual worlds about others, even talked about There in SL, and I'm always up to point out what There does better than SL.
I've always liked Philip Linden's stance on the subject, that any success for any virtual world is good for all of them, because it helps people become aware of the technology and what's around. ![]() Shouldn't we all be trying to promote virtual worlds as a internet community that all share the same hobby? Can't we all just get along? _____________________
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The Quirk
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the facts of life
07-25-2005 02:04
y'know.. take the bad.. the good.. take 'em both and all that jazz
Zack, i will not argue that There has a smooth look and some of the things there are beautiful.. BUT, that's not all there is to There. i mean, geez.. i remember when i tried out There.. i installed and went about trying to find out what There had to offer.. yet, i didn't get to find out all that much. before i even figured out where to go to start adjusting my avatars look, i was accosted by several people.. "hey, wanna cyber?", "you're cute", etc.. ACK! talk about a glorified chat room!! there were some SLers who tried to aggressively recruit Therians, but that was when There announced they were dropping support so they could work on a government contract. most SLers were trying to help.. not KILLKILLKILL!!! There is by NO means the most important ting to happen to MMOs, we all could've gotten along fine without it.. we still would have been this far along. i remember my first MMO of this style.. it's called Cybertown and it was fairly decent, but really low quality compared to what we have now. that place meant something to MMOs of this sort.. as AW has as well. hell, the original SimCity was a huge contributor to this genre in it's own right. not saying There hasn't made it's contributions.. but it's not as important as you seem to think it is. you have some valid points, but i suggest that if you want to be taken seriously, maybe you shouldn't come in here spitting out venom about SL, y'know? i'll put it this way.. if i, like you, were to judge an entire community AND platform on a very small constituency.. well, then i'd imagine There was full of vengeful, hate-spewing and disrespectful residents. and that would be because of YOUR behaviour. and two more cents.. as far as i'm concerned, SL is the MOST important current addition to the genre of MMOs.. it shows the most promise and freedom. thanks for your time, man.. - edit: wow! post #42.. lol |
Cybin Monde
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i was trying to stay clear of this thread
07-25-2005 02:29
First, i'm impressed. The Quirk has made a fairly well written response! lol..
Second, i agree with Oz.. and others.. all MMO worlds have something to offer. there are parts of each world that others can learn from and admire. the smooth and contiguous look of There is one of them. there is no need for anyone from anywhere to try to tear down the work (et al) of others from wherever they may be. i tried There once upon a time. it wasn't for me, but that doesn't mean it's not for others. each online world has something unique to offer it's users. whatever that may be, it's each person who decides it for themselves and should not depend on negative approaches from anyone. on the other hand, there's merit to informing users of different MMOs about what other opportunities and experiences are available elsewhere. shared experiences can lead us into a brighter future for any and all MMOs. for example, There has apparently realized the potential of a scripting language within their world, thus ThereScript. i don't know conclusively where they got the idea to create ThereScript, but i imagine it may have to do with the success of such in SL. learning from each other can help us all. i'm sorry to hear that your experiences lead you to believe that SLers are just a depraved bunch of disrespectful lunatics. it is simply not true. i, personally, think rather highly of our community here. sure, we may be outspoken and harsh at times, but we're all 18+ and know each other should be able to handle such conversations and debates. i'm not saying there isn't a proverbial "underbelly" to SL, but that's not an exclusive phenomena. every community has it's seedy underbelly, whether it's Second Life, There, Active Worlds, The Sims Online, or even your neighborhood community watch in "Real Life". what matters is that there is also the other side of the coin. those of us who do respect each other and those from other walks of life, whether it be online or not. i sincerely hope you can realize that we're not all "out to get [you]" and can learn to enjoy and respect this world, the same way you did in There. and please, make your amends and go enjoy being a resident of There again.. but you don't need to leave SL either. as has been mentioned before, there are many who enjoy multiple worlds.. i wish you the same freedom, the same joy. _____________________
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Enabran Templar
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07-25-2005 04:24
You guys know that the original poster is actually the new Community Manager for There, right?
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Cocoanut Koala
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07-25-2005 11:10
No . . . are you kidding?
coco |
Colette Meiji
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07-25-2005 11:12
really?
lol wow |
Wuvme Karuna
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07-25-2005 14:20
I still refer people to There because I love it So you are saying people go there and refer people to sl, while you refer people to there? Why are you complaining since your doing the same thing? * psst.. he is gonna destroy SL!! ah ah ahhh! *grabs her seburo, ill show him how we do it in here.. he might paint my clothes with his lil paintguns.. but ill blast his a** with my seburo! _____________________
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Lordfly Digeridoo
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07-25-2005 15:10
You guys know that the original poster is actually the new Community Manager for There, right? That's awesome. Pot to kettle, come in kettle. This is kettle. You are black, over. Roger that. _____________________
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Madame Maracas
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07-25-2005 15:30
So yer saying the New Community Mgr in There is afraid to face Thereians?
Dayum, makes me sorry (not) I left! /walks away chuckling .... _____________________
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Colette Meiji
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07-26-2005 06:35
would have to kindly suggest the OP make peace with whatever reasons he can no longer go THERE
and go back THERE its only been a month HERE - and since he seems to prefer THERE it really seems this style of accusing the community HERE of being unkind to the folks THERE is really not productive. Dont spout of rhetoric suggesting people go THERE when you're mad people from HERE go THERE and spout rhetoric. Is really crazy |
Brac Westerburg
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07-28-2005 07:27
Hmm ?, Zach. Your post sounds very familiar to many post’s I’ve read in the “There Forums” by a particular member who seems to think he’s the savior of There’s problems. This one member who bashes SL every chance he gets. (Which really ticks me off). You may not be him, but whoa it’s very similar.
OMG you make it sound like “There” is hanging on by a thread and all these bad SL members are stealing “There’s” business away, causing the poor company to die a slow death. What planet are you from ? It amazes me how it’s not ok for people to recruit members from There for SL, while There members did the same thing when they where in their beta phase to members in TSO, Funny that isn’t it. That’s how I found out about “There”. . How do you think I found out about Second Life ?, from There’s members, constantly bashing SL. All the free advertisement they give this product is amazing LOL. If you feel so much devotion to “There” that it upsets you about SL members recruiting in “There”, then why did you jump ship like a rat off a sinking ship a year ago ?. Yes many of us where concerned about what was going to happen, But we still stood by the company. Like myself and many other’s from “There”, We joined SL but also remained a member in “There” and are still active within the community. If anyone should be concerned about the so called recruiting, it should be those of us who are still members , Not you who Jumped ship. FYI Zach, Black Friday was OVER a year ago and “ There” has survived and has continued to grow since they got past that period in time. Relax There’s not being harmed in anyway from the so called recruiters from here or any of the MANY other games out there. |