That Bitch Condi Faces Some Truths

Now you're blaming the most horrific act of terrorism on our own soil on a black woman.

You've been unhooded, Kendra.

-Kiamat Dusk

Never said I AGREED with Republicans, just that I'd welcome back real Repubs to the National debate. The current occupants of the Whitehouse are not Republicans --or even Americans as far as I'm concerned.

No I'm not blaming a black woman. Condi's color is not a consideration for me (though apparently it is for YOU).

I'm placing (partial) blame on the shoulders of the National Security Advisor who prior to September 11 2001 recieved no less than 52 seperate warnings of incoming disaster INCLUDING specific threats of airplanes being used to crash into buildings.

How many counter-terrorist meetings did she hold with the Chiefs of Staff prior to 9/11?

That would be NONE.

That's low - -even for you.

And, yet, no blame is placed on the shoulders of the Clinton administration even though the Sudanese offered to hand UBL over to them after they released him from prison, and let's not forget the three times the CIA had him in their sites and again, Clinton folded. What's the difference here?

And...before this gets any farther let me be clear...

The whole race baiting thing is a bunch of BS. I don't mean any of it. Let me get on the record as saying that while you and I don't agree on much, Kendra...well ok anything...I know that you are not a racist, bigot, etc.

I'm just having fun using Leftist shout down tactics against them. None of my posts about people being racist in this thread are meant to be taken seriously, but should be looked at as a serious reminder of how easy it is to use something like race to totally derail a topic and shout down a speaker with whom one does not agree.

Again: I do not now nor have I ever believed that Kendra is a racist. Pinko commie terrorist sympathizer, sure. Racist-no.

-Kiamat Dusk
...manipulating Liberals for his own amusement...

That's been debunked. Don't spread lies to try and prove your points.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/clinton.htm



Pinko Commie? Absolutely. Terrorist Sympathizer? Definately NOT...however, I'm just as opposed to our own terrorists (namely The Bush Administration which I view as being a Terrorist organization in control of OUR Government)

Nothing in that link disproves what I said which was that Clinton had the opportunity to get UBL and failed to act on it. Check out these sites instead.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/art.../5/153637.shtml
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4540958

Also, the part about the Sudanese government offering to hand him over is in the 9/11 Commission report. And you can check it out here:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166004,00.html
http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/Web%20Pages/HERALD%20TRIBUNE_Sudan%20Offered%20to%20Arrest%20Bin%20Laden%20in%20'96.htm
..and numerous other places on the web.

The gist of it is, Sudan made the offer, but after much hand wringing, Clinton decided he couldn't make a case in US courts (not suprising since the ACLU would surely spring into action) and let UBL go. Suddenly, some of the provisions in the PATRIOT Act seem to make sense.

-Kiamat Dusk

The truth is that Clinton never offered Osama bin Laden to Saudi Arabia. In fact, Clinton did not "admit" to the Sudan offer in that speech or anywhere else. Here's the relevant portion of Clinton's remarks to the Long Island Association:

CLINTON: So we tried to be quite aggressive with them [Al Qaeda]. We got -- well, Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan. He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in 1991, then he went to Sudan. And we'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start dealing with them again. They released him. At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America. So I pleaded with the Saudis to take him, 'cause they could have. But they thought it was a hot potato and they didn't and that's how he wound up in Afghanistan.

Furthermore, during his June 20 interview on 60 Minutes with CBS anchor Dan Rather, Clinton categorically denied that such an offer was made: "'There was a story which is factually inaccurate that the Sudanese offered bin Laden to us,' says Mr. Clinton. 'As far as I know, there is not a shred of evidence of that.'"

No one involved in the 1996 negotiations apart from former officials of Sudan -- a country that the U.S. State Department has designated as a state sponsor of terrorism every year since 1993 -- has verified the claim that Sudan offered bin Laden to the United States. In light of this lack of evidence, the 9-11 Commission "Staff Statement No. 5," issued in March, rejected the Sudanese claim:

Former Sudanese officials claim that Sudan offered to expel Bin Ladin to the United States. Clinton administration officials deny ever receiving such an offer. We have not found any reliable evidence to support the Sudanese claim.

Sudan did offer to expel Bin Ladin to Saudi Arabia and asked the Saudis to pardon him. U.S. officials became aware of these secret discussions, certainly by March 1996. The evidence suggests that the Saudi government wanted Bin Ladin expelled from Sudan, but would not agree to pardon him. The Saudis did not want Bin Ladin back in their country at all.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200406220008

You dont know what that word means!

Do you know anything about Hirohito?
Well now WE have our own Hirohito. Shall we remain polite to him?

No, I guess I don't understand it.

coco

Think he is refering to Condi's walking Lock-Step with Boy George Bush

Afuckingmen.

For a REAL Republican --here's to ya, Lec!

Interesting side note: Republicans I have respected include my Father who was a Goldwater Republican and became a Democrat only after Reagan f'd up the economy.

Jimmy Carter did a nice job with the economy? You are a very funny person! Japan will forever thank him and the heads of American industry. They made Japan and my firm world leaders!

I never even mentioned Carter. But if Japan wants to thank anyone --they can thank Reagan more than Carter.

Having said that --Carter didn't improve our economy --but he didn't run up a trillion dollar debt either.

I fairly sure that you're far too young to remember the Carter Presidency, so I'll excuse your ignorance.

I guess you don't recall that it was Carter who made the deal with North Korea for them to stop producing nuclear weapons. The same deal he won his Nobel Peace Prize for..unfortunately North Korea came out as a nuclear power AFTER the Nobel was given.

Kendra you are by far the most unpatriotic poster in these forums. Everything is for you is PRO-democrat, ANTI-Any-republican. You aren't anything but an idealogue.

I guess you don't really read my posts then.
Consider yourelf reported for the unwarranted attack.

See. I like REAL Republicans just fine. Thanks for the lie though. Is this an attempt to "Swift-Boat" me?

FYI. I'm not a Democrat. Haven't been since Clinton passed NAFTA.

I'm a member of the Green Party.

And by "real Republican" you mean someone who bares absolutely no resemblance to a Republican but rather espouses your Leftist views.

I'm always very wary of the people in the forums you stamp with your "good Republican" seal. Lek, I'm looking at you here....


-Kiamat Dusk

I consider a true republican to be one from the libertarian side of the party... one that believes in small government, low taxation, and in keeping the government out of our personal lives. Those are the views the party used to espouse before it was hijacked by the Christian right and the neo-conservatives.

Bingo.

The people who founded the Republican party are probably rolling in their graves.

The party has been in a slow decline morally since WWII ended, but the last 6 years have taken it to lows I had previously not imagined were possible.

Just how sour are those grapes anyway!?


-Kiamat Dusk

Double Bingo. Where are the real Republicans? I had problems with them sure --but they were at least Americans.