Evolution, a myth for non-theists
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Zuzu Fassbinder
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03-06-2006 10:41
From: Kevn Klein We are talking about life coming from nothing, without design. Lets jump straight to Stage 4. 1. If ID states that god created everything then is a religious belief. There is no need to debate it against scientific theory, since ID is a matter of faith and not science. 2. If ID states that a non-god entity created life by design, then this entitiy must be a life form. Since this entity is a life form, it must have been created by something. Therefore, tracing back the line of creators, the very first life form in the univers must have arisen either: a. by the design of a god, in which case we are back to #1 or b. without design at all, which invalidates the theory of ID, since it requires all life to be designed
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Sally Rosebud
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03-06-2006 10:45
GEOLOGY: n., pl. -gies. - The scientific study of the origin, history, and structure of the earth.
- The structure of a specific region of the earth's crust.
- A book on geology.
- The scientific study of the origin, history, and structure of the solid matter of a celestial body.
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Joy Honey
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03-06-2006 10:46
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Ananda Sandgrain
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03-06-2006 10:47
I forget if this was one of your steps, Zuzu...
If evolution is a myth, and science classes should be forced to teach alternative myths...
THEN EVERY FUNDIE BAPTIST CHURCH IN THE NATION SHOULD BE FORCED TO TEACH EVOLUTION IN SUNDAY SCHOOL.
Turnabout is fair play, right?
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Sally Rosebud
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03-06-2006 10:48
PALEONTOLOGY:
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The study of the forms of life existing in prehistoric or geologic times, as represented by the fossils of plants, animals, and other organisms.
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Kendra Bancroft
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03-06-2006 10:49
From: Sally Rosebud GEOLOGY: n., pl. -gies. - The scientific study of the origin, history, and structure of the earth.
- The structure of a specific region of the earth's crust.
- A book on geology.
- The scientific study of the origin, history, and structure of the solid matter of a celestial body.
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Kendra Bancroft
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03-06-2006 10:50
From: Sally Rosebud PALEONTOLOGY:
n.
The study of the forms of life existing in prehistoric or geologic times, as represented by the fossils of plants, animals, and other organisms. ding ding ding
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Kevn Klein
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03-06-2006 10:51
From: Sally Rosebud .... Evolution IS small changes, it IS adaptation, why are you unwilling to see that? No one denied adaptation, just as no one denied natural healing of wounds. It's a natural function of the living. You are confusing evolution with adaptation, as many young people do. Adaptation is An alteration or adjustment in structure or habits, often hereditary, by which a species or individual improves its condition in relationship to its environment. No need for mutations. This is why many are confused. Macro-evolution says all life came from one single life form and now we have all these life forms, that mutations cause more information to be added to DNA. This isn't fact at all, it's just a notion some people had. Micro-evolution (breeding and adaptation) isn't in dispute at all.
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Kendra Bancroft
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03-06-2006 10:53
From: Kevn Klein I said nothing about the definition of evolution, I said show me the text books that claim evolution isn't fact, but only a scientific theory. You showed us Evolutionists do believe evolution is fact already. You don't know what "Theory" means in the context of scientific theory.
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Willow Zander
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03-06-2006 10:54
From: Kevn Klein
No need for mutations.
Oh, I REALLY think this thread has quite proven that.
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Kendra Bancroft
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03-06-2006 10:55
From: Kevn Klein No one denied adaptation, just as no one denied natural healing of wounds. It's a natural function of the living.
You are confusing evolution with adaptation, as many young people do. Adaptation is An alteration or adjustment in structure or habits, often hereditary, by which a species or individual improves its condition in relationship to its environment.
No need for mutations.
This is why many are confused. Macro-evolution says all life came from one single life form and now we have all these life forms, that mutations cause more information to be added to DNA. This isn't fact at all, it's just a notion some people had.
Micro-evolution (breeding and adaptation) isn't in dispute at all. What do you think DNA is? I'm curious.
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Sally Rosebud
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03-06-2006 10:57
So in reality, Kevn doesn't want geology taught in schools 
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Gabe Lippmann
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03-06-2006 10:58
I'm a tad confused as to where Kevn stands on this matter.
Also, so that I may be enlightened, can someone pull up a Wikipedia entry? Any entry will do.
And can someone please use a few buzzwords. This gives my mind a break from having to think on its own.
If this is done, I will most certainly change my mind. Being of simple mind, I have been waiting in the ether of the Interwebbers for someone of strong character to inform me on these topics.
Oh, and the world does not exist. It's proven. Quantum Physics, Western Philosophy, Buddha and Information Theory have given me this knowledge. I give it to you, even though you don't exist. Go have a snack. You deserve it!
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Kendra Bancroft
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03-06-2006 10:59
From: Sally Rosebud So in reality, Kevn doesn't want geology taught in schools  Rock Tumblers are tools of the devil I tell ya!!!! 
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Joy Honey
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03-06-2006 11:04
From: Sally Rosebud So in reality, Kevn doesn't want geology taught in schools  I'm telling you we are in the Matrix and all of this is what the machines are telling us. There can be only one (oh damn, I think I have the Matrix and the Highlander mixed up...  )
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Sally Rosebud
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03-06-2006 11:05
From: Kevn Klein You are confusing evolution with adaptation, as many young people do. Adaptation is An alteration or adjustment in structure or habits, often hereditary, by which a species or individual improves its condition in relationship to its environment.
Haha, young people...hmm how old are you? I am not confusing anything. I put the definition of evolution in a post for you, why don't you go back and read it carefully. Oh, also read the definition of geology while you're at it. 
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Zuzu Fassbinder
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03-06-2006 11:06
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From: Kevn Klein Here is where you fail logic 101. If the Catholic church says evolution is real (first claim), as claimed by person A, and God created life (second claim), then those claims are not independent, as you would have us believe. One is the conclusion of the first. "god created life" is not the conclusion of "evolution is real" not even by Catholics. "evolution is real" is also not the conclusion of "god created life" by the Catholics. "god created life" has always been their position, however their acceptance of "evolution is real" is based on the fact that there is overwhelming evidence of it. From: Kevn Klein If you say 'I believe life was created', then go on to say you 'believe the only creating force in the universe is the FSM', then logically you are saying life was created by the FSM.
If I point to you to say your belief in a creator supports my statement there is a Christian God, it would be false, because unless I follow your belief to it's conclusion, the fact you believe there is a creator has no bearing on whether there exists a Christian God. In fact, your belief would be in conflict with my statement. very good. you can follow simple logic sometimes. Now try this one: You claim that "life was created" and you go on to say "the FSM is the only creator in the universe" Now I come along as claim "life was created". I point to you and say. Look, even those who believe in the FSM believe that life was created. I have no need to believe in the FSM to show evidence that a group larger than myself belives in creationism. From: Kevn Klein Person A pointed to Group C to support the claim evolution is true, but to make that a valid claim, it would require person A to accept the conclusion of Group C concerning their claim B (evolution is real).
Group C says God used evolution, so person A is using that logic to support their claim, even though group C rejects the notion life evolved on it's own. Therefore, person A is using a faulty argument that when followed to it's conclusion ends up refuting the basic premise of person A. You're getting warmer, but you're not quite there. Let me help you out. Evolution is a scientific theory and is proven or disproven by collecting scientific evidence. As such, citing the fact that "other people believe it" is not scientific evidence and so the argument that "The Catholic Church supports evolution" does nothing to prove the theory of evolution. However, what it does do is show that christianity and science are not inherently at odds.
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Sally Rosebud
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03-06-2006 11:08
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Joy Honey
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03-06-2006 11:08
From: Sally Rosebud Haha, young people...hmm how old are you?
 HEY YOU KIDS, GET OFF MY LAWN!!!
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Sally Rosebud
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03-06-2006 11:10
I'm soooooooooo glad I wasn't drinking anything atm!
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Zuzu Fassbinder
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03-06-2006 11:11
From: Sally Rosebud So in reality, Kevn doesn't want geology taught in schools  Actually, he doesnt. He thinks that the earth is only 4000 years old.
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Joy Honey
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03-06-2006 11:16
From: Sally Rosebud I'm soooooooooo glad I wasn't drinking anything atm!  My mission is complete, I've made at least two people laugh out loud today
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Rickard Roentgen
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03-06-2006 11:17
why... Why... WHY!?!?!
I'm rolling in my grave and I'm not even dead yet.
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Sally Rosebud
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03-06-2006 11:18
MACROEVOLUTION: n. Large-scale evolution occurring over geologic time that results in the formation of new taxonomic groups. GEOLOGIC TIME: n. The period of time covering the physical formation and development of Earth, especially the period prior to human history. MICROEVOLUTION: n. Evolution resulting from a succession of relatively small genetic variations that often cause the formation of new subspecies. In case you didn't know EVOLUTION, includes both macro and micro evolution. Please be more specific in your posts if you want us to take you seriously. Thank you.
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Sally Rosebud
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03-06-2006 11:20
Here you go Gabe. 
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