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elgrego Shaftoe
Registered Chicken
Join date: 12 Apr 2005
Posts: 101
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06-08-2006 15:08
Well, I for one am seriously greatful this has occured, just for the fact that it'll allow me and others to vent and show a bunch of strangers how observant and intellectual we are. Because, in the end, that's all that can really make anyone feel good about their lonely existences.
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Briana Dawson
Attach to Mouth
Join date: 23 Sep 2003
Posts: 5,855
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06-08-2006 15:31
We shouldn't have gone in without the full banner of the UN to begin with. The chaos could not possibly be worse than it is now. Ugh. Thankfully Bush has for the most part marginalized (hey there's that word again  ) the U.N. Why would any country loving American want a foreign body composed primarily of African nations to have a say in U.S. foreign policy?????The U.N. is a real piece of work. U.N. logic: Let's have Iran be the Nuclear watchdogs, and let's vote Libya to chair the human rights commission. Hey maybe Kofi Annan knew that his son was busy robbing the oil-for-food fund.  IConspiracies are the soup de jour, right?Briana Dawson _____________________
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Weedy Herbst
Too many parameters
Join date: 5 Aug 2004
Posts: 2,255
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06-08-2006 15:32
I never said they were guilty. I was just hinting that the Zaquawi killing certainly takes Haditha out of the news. For now, Kendra. However, the atrocity in Haditha does not automatically get cancelled out by the death of a-Z. The truth is, the ongoing investigation and Court Marshall of the massacre will once again spring up in the media, long after a-Z is forgotten. Clearly the death of a-Z is not a reaction to sweep Haditha under the rug, despite the timing. _____________________
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Lorelei Patel
was here
Join date: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 1,940
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06-08-2006 15:33
No offence Lorelei, but a single article in the Washington post is hardly research and it doesn't say to me anything like the intolerant remarks you posted previously. It wasn't meant to be a thesis, just one example to illustrate the point. It's not hard to find a whole lot more. There is hardly anything in these translations of textbooks that isn't also right in the Koran. I read the entire article and I don't see any rabid incitement to violence or destruction. Yes, I know it's in the Koran. Part of the reason when I don't care for the religion and see it as deeply flawed. Yes, there are similar passages in the Bible, but you don't often see people saying that should be followed to the letter (yes, there are some, but it's not prevalent.) A "Jihad" is not necessarily a war and does not necessarily involve violence, it's just western ignorance to think it does. Not necessarily, but it can and often does. Do you think the Palestinian Islamic Jihad is proposing to wage a war against their inner demons? I think they're out to blow shit up. The comparison of different non-muslim peoples with various animals is kind of rude but hardly anything to get so worked up over that we need to bomb them back to the stone age. It's rude, but what's worse is that they act on it. And that the inculcate it in their children. Like all extreme religous based knowledge it's mean and hateful towards anyone not a part of that religion. That goes for Christians and jews also. Hard core born again Christians believe that anyone not of their faith is some kind of devil or dog or destined for the pit. I could really care less if someone thinks I'm destined to hell. What I mind is someone who tries to send me there courtesy of a suicide belt. The same is true of many extreme jewish groups and all relgious texts contain passages like the ones quoted in the school books to justify that sort of bigotry. But that's exactly the difference. If the same exists in our school books, I sure have never seen it. Have you? If the religious right in the US had its way and Christianity crept back into the American textbooks you would see very similar passages (albeit with reversed intentions) written in those books. You even expressed similar sentiments yourself when you referred to the entire middle east as something less than human or civilised. *shrug* But they're not as civilized. Sorry to say it and I wish it weren't the case. As a side note, not all pictures produced for the media are re-touched either. In fact its a fairly recent thing to do so. Not more than a handfull of years ago most photography for media was non-digital and most of it was not retouched. Malarky. In the old days, photos were croped to suit. These days, photos are adjusted for contrast, sharpened, blurred, color-adjusted, cropped, lightened or darkened, you name it. Usually with no intent other than to make the picture clearer. But to get your panties in a twist because a photo is retouched is ridiculous. They all are. In fact it is the responsibility of the news media to *not* alter images they are presenting as reality and if they get caught doing it huge consequences can result. Again, you're wrong. Photos are routinely tweaked to make them better. I do not mean to imply there is anything wrong with it; there usually isn't. _____________________
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Lorelei Patel
was here
Join date: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 1,940
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06-08-2006 15:36
But you never say you dis-agree with me. When I said clean up, I ment they cleaned up the body. But the photo looks dated. I would say from 6 months ago. Sounds just like the Dictator to hold on reporting this till just before the November Elections. I don't know enough about forensic science to say either way. What's your training? Oh, and Novembe is a good five months off. _____________________
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Weedy Herbst
Too many parameters
Join date: 5 Aug 2004
Posts: 2,255
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06-08-2006 15:40
I wonder what they will do with the body of a-Z.
Will the Americans retain the body? Will his family in Jordan take him for quiet internment? Or will the Islamics parade him as a symbol of martyrdom in a holy war? _____________________
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Kiamat Dusk
Protest Warrior
Join date: 30 Sep 2004
Posts: 1,525
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I'm In Love....
06-08-2006 15:41
That's it, I'm proposing a Constitutional amendment that allows polygamy so I don't have to choose between Cindy and Briana!
 Watching you two double team the SLeft in these forums is what keeps me coming back! I mean it's gotten to where I don't have to say anything because one or the other of you has already said it! But, really, go easy on Kendra. The death of her spiritual leader must have come as a major shock. It's understandable that she's in denial. That said...I'm off to get the new Anne Coulter book! -Kiamat Dusk _____________________
"My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape." -Bret Easton Ellis 'American Psycho'
"Anger is a gift." -RATM "Freedom" Eat me, you vile waste of food. http://writing.com/authors/suffer |
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Garoad Kuroda
Prophet of Muppetry
Join date: 5 Sep 2003
Posts: 2,989
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06-08-2006 15:50
To hint that perhaps he wasn't tied to al Qaeda, or that by some fluke he might actually be innocent is nothing short of an awe-inspiring polemical leap. Don't worry, it'll still be more than just hinted at by some biased and closed minded individuals with an agenda. His significance was not "invented" for the public and to say otherwise is just wrong. _____________________
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WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS! |
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Weedy Herbst
Too many parameters
Join date: 5 Aug 2004
Posts: 2,255
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06-08-2006 16:10
That said...I'm off to get the new Anne Coulter book! -Kiamat Dusk Get me a copy too, we are out of toilet paper.  _____________________
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Zuzu Fassbinder
Little Miss No Tomorrow
Join date: 17 Sep 2004
Posts: 2,048
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06-08-2006 16:58
Watching you two double team the SLeft in these forums is what keeps me coming back! I mean it's gotten to where I don't have to say anything because one or the other of you has already said it! But, really, go easy on Kendra. The death of her spiritual leader must have come as a major shock. It's understandable that she's in denial. If you get to lump everyone on the forums with politically left leanings in with Kendra then I get to lamp everyone on the forums with politically right leanings in with Kevn. Deal? _____________________
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Einsman Schlegel
Disenchanted Fool
Join date: 11 Jun 2003
Posts: 1,461
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06-08-2006 17:25
dur Hippies
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Sally Rosebud
the girl next door
Join date: 3 May 2005
Posts: 2,505
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06-08-2006 17:35
If you get to lump everyone on the forums with politically left leanings in with Kendra then I get to lamp everyone on the forums with politically right leanings in with Kevn. Deal? Beautiful!----------------------------------------- When I saw the news, the first thing I thought was "ok, who's his replacement?" _____________________
"I love sleep. My life has the tendency to fall apart when I'm awake, you know?"
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Joy Honey
Not just another dumass
Join date: 17 Jun 2005
Posts: 3,751
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06-08-2006 18:19
dur Hippies It's spelled "der" _____________________
Reality continues to ruin my life. - Calvin
You have delighted us long enough. - Jane Austen Sometimes I need what only you can provide: your absence. - Ashleigh Brilliant |
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Sally Rosebud
the girl next door
Join date: 3 May 2005
Posts: 2,505
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06-08-2006 18:49
It's spelled "der" so can we "der" him now? lol _____________________
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Joy Honey
Not just another dumass
Join date: 17 Jun 2005
Posts: 3,751
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06-08-2006 18:53
Sure can, Hippie
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Einsman Schlegel
Disenchanted Fool
Join date: 11 Jun 2003
Posts: 1,461
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06-08-2006 19:19
so can we "der" him now? lol I find Dur more appealing |
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Devlin Gallant
Thought Police
Join date: 18 Jun 2003
Posts: 5,948
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06-08-2006 23:23
"Not being PROVEN guilty does NOT make you innocent." Really? Because I conclude otherwise from the sentence "innocent until proven guilty". "And his followers believed he beheaded those men, so it doesn't sound like he was denying it." So terrorists are untrustworthy, evil, dangerous scum...except when what they say supports what you'd like to believe? Musuko. That sentence only applies in a court of law. Even if you can't be proven guilty, if you did it you are guilty. If you can't understand the difference I would LOVE to have you on my jury if I am ever accused of anything. _____________________
I LIKE children, I've just never been able to finish a whole one.
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Devlin Gallant
Thought Police
Join date: 18 Jun 2003
Posts: 5,948
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06-08-2006 23:28
Um. We went there to liberate them and turned into an occupying army.They no longer want us there. They're not the enemy. We are. They don't want us there? I have 3 nephews over there, who have said they are often thanked by the people for being there. Course the insurgents still shoot at them, but there are more regular folk then them. _____________________
I LIKE children, I've just never been able to finish a whole one.
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Groucho Mandelbrot
is no more
Join date: 26 Apr 2006
Posts: 296
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06-09-2006 02:11
That sentence only applies in a court of law. Even if you can't be proven guilty, if you did it you are guilty. If you can't understand the difference I would LOVE to have you on my jury if I am ever accused of anything. Actually the most egregious error is that Musuko decides to leave out a key word. It's not "innocent until proven guilty" it's "presumed innocent until proven guilty" which means something completely different. The fact that "innocent until proven guilty" is most definitely not a "sentence" should be the first clue that it was taken out of context. But I would only want Musuko on my jury if I were actually guilty. If I were truly innocent then I would want someone who is a little more careful with the facts. |
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Cottonteil Muromachi
Abominable
Join date: 2 Mar 2005
Posts: 1,071
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الإعلام الذي صعد بالزرقاوي .. هل قتله أيضا؟
06-09-2006 03:46
نما أطلق أبو مصعب الزرقاوي من سجنه الأردني عام 1999 بعفو ملكي كان الكثير من الناس وأجهزة الاستخبارات في العالم لا يعلمون عنه الكثير، ولكن الاحتلال الأميركي للعراق دفع سريعا بهذا الرجل إلى واجهة الأحداث.
وكانت القوات الأميركية وراء إكساب هذا الشاب الأردني الكثير من السمعة حينما ألقت عليه باللائمة في العمليات التفجيرية في العراق، رافق ذلك صور الفيديو التي نشرها تنظيمه لإعدام أميركيين في العراق وقطع رؤوسهم بالسيف. ويقول مراقبون إن تنظيم القاعدة في بلاد الرافدين أجاد استخدام الإعلام في مواجهة الأميركيين، وتمكن في ظل الملاحقة الأميركية الشديدة له أن يستغل شبكة الإنترنت في الترويج لفكره المناهض للأميركيين وكذلك للشيعة العراقيين. ويرى هؤلاء أن الزرقاوي تمكن من تجاوز الأهداف التي وضعها الأميركيون لـ(تضخيم) دور القاعدة في العراق مقابل أدوار بقية التنظيمات التي تقاوم الأميركيين هناك. في هذا السياق يقول ممثل هيئة علماء المسلمين بالعراق في الخارج محمد عياش الكبيسي إن القوات الأميركية ضخمت دور الزرقاوي بهدف تشويه صورة المقاومة من ناحية وحصرها في مقاتلين قادمين من الخارج من ناحية أخرى. ويضيف أن الإستراتيجية الإعلامية للقوات الأميركية بالعراق كانت تحاول إظهار العراقيين بمظهر المرحب بوجودها وبنشرها للأمن بعد تخليصها العراق من النظام السابق. ويعتبر الكبيسي أن خطاب الزرقاوي التكفيري ومنهجه العملياتي باستهداف بعض المدنيين لم يجدا ترحيبا في أوساط العراقيين، مشيرا إلى أن مقتله لن يكون له تأثير كبير على المقاومة التي ترتبط برفض الشعب العراقي للاحتلال. أخطاء الزرقاوي من جانبه يرى المحلل السياسي الأردني ياسر الزعاترة أن تنظيم الزرقاوي كان له حضور في الوسط السني بالعراق، مدللا على ذلك بقدرته على تجنيد المئات من الشبان، مشيرا إلى أن صموده ثلاث سنوات في وجه الملاحقة الأميركية الشرسة لم يكن ليحصل لولا تمتعه ببيئة حاضنة توفر له المأوى والملجأ. ولفت الزعاترة إلى أخطاء وقع فيها الزرقاوي من خلال التفجيرات الأخيرة في المناطق السنية التي ألبت عليه بعض العشائر السنية. ويضيف الزعاترة أن ظهور زعيم القاعدة في شريط إعلامي مؤخرا كان سببا رئيسا في الدلالة عليه لافتا إلى أن الزرقاوي دفع ثمنا باهظا لسعيه الدؤوب لاستثمار الإعلام في حربه على الولايات المتحدة. وبصرف النظر عن الخلاف الذي يدور حول شخصية هذا الرجل ودوره، فإن المراقبين يكادون يتفقون على أن نجاح القوات الأميركية في اغتياله كان نتيجة متوقعة. فقد سخرت واشنطن كل إمكانياتها في ملاحقة الزرقاوي بما في ذلك التكنولوجيا المتقدمة والوجود العسكري المباشر والاستناد إلى القوات العراقية واستخباراتها ووجود جهات وأشخاص عديدين مستعدين لتقديم معلومات عنه لأسباب مختلفة. يضاف إلى ذلك ما كشفت عنه الأردن من دور أمني استخباري لها في تحديد مكان اختباء زعيم القاعدة .  |
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Kendra Bancroft
Rhine Maiden
Join date: 17 Jun 2004
Posts: 5,813
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06-09-2006 06:18
But, really, go easy on Kendra. The death of her spiritual leader must have come as a major shock. It's understandable that she's in denial. That's repulsive --even for you. I'm reporting this. _____________________
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Billybob Goodliffe
NINJA WIZARDS!
Join date: 22 Dec 2005
Posts: 4,036
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06-09-2006 06:47
That's repulsive --even for you. I'm reporting this. and i thought i was the one she would report first. |
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Briana Dawson
Attach to Mouth
Join date: 23 Sep 2003
Posts: 5,855
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06-09-2006 06:51
That's repulsive --even for you. I'm reporting this. You deal out insults left and right. I don't see the damage but I guess that one liner from Kiamat got to you. Briana Dawson _____________________
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Briana Dawson
Attach to Mouth
Join date: 23 Sep 2003
Posts: 5,855
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06-09-2006 06:52
That's it, I'm proposing a Constitutional amendment that allows polygamy so I don't have to choose between Cindy and Briana! Ok I'm holding you to this. I hope you have a bad ass lobbying firm. Briana Dawson _____________________
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Kiamat Dusk
Protest Warrior
Join date: 30 Sep 2004
Posts: 1,525
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06-09-2006 13:14
That's repulsive --even for you. I'm reporting this. You realize of course, everytime you AR me, I get like, Conservative bonus points, right? Right now I'm saving up for that GOP iPod. Get me a copy too, we are out of toilet paper. Ooooo...sorry, no can do, but I think I've still got a roll of Marx 2ply laying around. If you get to lump everyone on the forums with politically left leanings in with Kendra then I get to lamp everyone on the forums with politically right leanings in with Kevn. Deal? Zuzu, you're absolutely right. You've demonstrated your ability to hold rational, intelligent debate time and time again. It wasn't right (or left) of me to lump you in with an hard left polemicist. Ok I'm holding you to this. I hope you have a bad ass lobbying firm. Briana Dawson Well with Jack Abrahmof on his way to prison....maybe we could move to Utah? -Kiamat Dusk _____________________
"My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape." -Bret Easton Ellis 'American Psycho'
"Anger is a gift." -RATM "Freedom" Eat me, you vile waste of food. http://writing.com/authors/suffer |
