Airstrike kills terror leader al-Zarqawi in Iraq

You marginalize yourself with your extreme views. You are the one screaming that the government has been usurped by a facist, terrorist administration.

Briana Dawson

I don't think you know what Eisenhower referred to in his speech warning about the Military/Industrial Complex. It does not refer to The Military alone.

Um. We went there to liberate them and turned into an occupying army.They no longer want us there.

They're not the enemy. We are.

I'm not so much screaming it as I am typing it out calmy and laughing at the responses.

Just as much as 'mission accomplished' was. People have short memories. It scares me that by simply questioning the government Americans get labelled extremists.

Don't agree with me, you'll be labeled as an extremist.

The best poll in the world has already been taken -- 8.5 million out of 14 million eligible Iraqi voters cast a ballot for their new democratic government. That's a better per capita turnout than most American elections. It also contradicts the "occupying army" nonsense.

We want out, too. But not before they can defend themselves.


Only if he calls the President "Dictator Bush" and "terrorist".

Starving People generally turn out to vote when you tell them it's the only way to procure food.

If we're not an occupying army --how do you define occupying army?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1249700,00.html

Are you offering proof for that statement?



Do you have proof this article is true?

sure. Read up.

5. Sanctions against those who do Not Vote: No Vote, No Ration Card, No Food

The election commission had estimated that 14 million people are eligible to vote, based on the number who received ration coupons through the UN Oil for Food program. In this regard, the international observer mission had recommended. "using the rolls for Iraq's food rationing system as a sort of makeshift census to guide the effort." (NYT 31 Jan 2005).

In the weeks leading up to the election, there were reports that food rations would be cancelled if voters did not show up at the polls. In Fallouja, polling stations were set up "at centers that distribute food, water and cash payments to residents whose homes were devastated by the offensive" (LA Times, 31 Jan 2005).

According to Al-Basa'ir, weekly, of the Muslim Scholars Council in its pre-election Jan 19th issue:

.. those who do not take part in the forthcoming elections will be punished.... "sanctions will be taken against those who refuse to vote or go to the polling stations." The article goes on to say: "The Iraqis have become accustomed at the end of each year, specifically in the last month of the year, to replace their ration cards with new ones to cover the months of the new year. However, one notices that December this year has passed without the Iraqis reading in the local papers or hearing in audiovisual media any mention of any invitation calling on them to replace these cards. This gave rise to many rumours as to why the issuance of these cards was delayed. The only plausible reason they found for this is that "the government intends to withhold these cards from the families that will not participate in the elections. Many Iraqis affirm that the new ration card has been printed and that it will be distributed to the head of the family while he votes and that those who do not go to the polling stations will not get their cards, and therefore will not receive the staples that are covered by the card as a punishment." (BBC Monitoring 24 Jan 2005)

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO501F.html





I gave you a link to an article that lists it's own sources. I'm not your research monkey.

For one I certainly don't rely on the anti-war Guardian to define it for me.

I'm also calling "bullshit" on your comment about bribing voters with food. Your "global research" site is just the kind of polemical site to feed you misinformation like this. (see the hilarious article they did on "Is Bush Planning a Nuclear Holocaust?" for more laughs)

These are your alleged "starving" people, Kendra:

http://www.purplefingerforfreedom.org/images/Index/Iraqi_voters_inked_fingers.jpg

But, hey, anything to denigrate the good that we've actually done, huh? Even if it involves lying.

LOL as if you haven't done the same thing to other folks multiple times in your postings? Pot meet kettle, you are black. QED. You don't get to make snarky assed comments to other people marginalizing thier views ("Oh I think she's a smart enough girl' ring any bells?) and not expect the same to come back at you.



Mistake 1, I'm not a republican. Mistake 2, your party has power, they just tend to piss it away into the wind with the concentrated effort that only true incompetence can show. Mistake 3, most of those plans call for case scenarios which isn't possible in the current situation. Give it another year or so and some of the aforementioned plans will gain plausibility, but at the moment we are still in a fairly reactionary phase which allows for less planning than you think.



Oh that myth, maybe next we can target "The man". It takes a lot bigger action than what we have in Iraq to truelly make the MIC any noticeable money, we're talking World War scaling, and quite frankly that shit ain't happening.

We must withdraw our troops to the periphery of Iraq's borders and let the Iraqis stand for themselves.[/QUOTE]

Yep, complete and utter chaos will prove your point right.

You can believe whatever you like, hon. I'm not here to change your mind. Don't blame me though when the jack boots kick down your door.

I'm not worried, Kendra. They'll come for you first

But you never say you dis-agree with me.

When I said clean up, I ment they cleaned up the body. But the photo looks dated. I would say from 6 months ago.

Sounds just like the Dictator to hold on reporting this till just before the November Elections.

so? I don't get your point here.





Mistake 1: I'm not a Democrat.
Mistake 2: You have no clear understanding how the 2 Houses work. No Majority Party? No power at all. No hearings. No subpeona. No nothing. All the Democrats have is a severely crippled ability to Filibuster.

Another year to what end? More senseless Death? 4 star Generals are arguing for immediate withdrawl. What does that tell you?






hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha. Now THAT'S Funny.





It's complete and utter chaos right now if you haven't noticed.

lmao point set match, and wow Jack boots, someones been watching conspiracy theory too much. Heres a quote from me:

"Never assume conspiracy when incompetance can better explain the current situation"

As a Socialist leaning jewish transexual I have no doubt of that --BUT:

First they came for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left
to speak up for me.

First they have to start coming for someone, hon. Let me know how that goes, ok?

There does come a point when it's not theory anymore ya know.

They have already gotten themselves the power to lock you up without trial.
How long do you think power goes un-used?

Do you believe everything someone tells you? Right now what you have is a police action and minor scale conflict. Yeah people are dying but its not a slaughter. If we pull out now before that gov't is stabilized, and firmly has controll, then you'll see a slaughter.

Its a powder keg over there right now, and the most IRRESPONSIBLE thing we can do is to pull out now and leave those people to deal with a mess WE created. We have toppled a stable, if corrupt goverment and replaced it with a MESS. Untill that mess is cleaned we have a responsibility to stand by our word.

Let me tell you, you think its chaos now? Lets demobilized, you'll see chaos on the civil war/genocide level, and our troops will end up going right back in, this time under the full banner of the UN and there will be a real gurilla war.

Right now we have a few insurgants making trouble. You want to see soldiers deaths? Wait till we go in when the whole nation is on fire.

You mean the power to lock up enemy combatants and what not?

Last I checked, as long as civilian courts are open the military can't bring civilians to trial or lock people up without a trial.

And when you say "the power to lock you up without a trial", do you mean lock you up longer than 72hrs and never getting a trial?

The terrorists in Gauntanomo don't count.

Briana Dawson

200,000 dead Iraqi and 2500 dead American troops does not a minor conflict make.
This "Police Action" has lasted longer than WW II at this point.



It was a slaughter the day we did "Shock and Awe" and it's become progressively worse since.



If a man came running into my apartment with a sledge hammer and started smashing up all my shit , he wouldn't be the one I'd trust to clean up the mess.



We shouldn't have gone in without the full banner of the UN to begin with. The chaos could not possibly be worse than it is now.



Right now Iraq is the middle of a Civil War. Our presence is making it worse. Probably intentionally so.

How about we stop debating. Let's focus on even worse things like GAY MARRIAGE!!!!


/sarcasm

As a person who has spent the greater portion of his adult life in the printing and photgraphic industries, and is also the son of a person who did the same, all I can say is whaaaaaaat?

No offense Magnum, but that is reaching. I am not saying your're wrong or right as far as the bit about whether or not they killed him a few months back. I am saying that 99.99 percent of the time, one cannot look at a six month old photo on TV, in print, or on the net, and discern whether or not it was taken this morning, or six months ago. To do so requires a bit more than just a picture of a face - one would have to see other markers, like say a building in the background that was standing seven months ago, which destroyed since then, or something of that nature. If you had the source material - the film or the photographic paper, a professional analyst may be able to date it, but my guess is that this is a digital picture, so the only clue would be the time and date stamp, which can easily be manipulated.

As far as cleaning him up goes, I am sure they would want to take a damp cloth or something to his face before they took the pic, to avoid cries of, "But it doesn't look like him!", as much as possible. It wouldn't be a great idea to leave him with mud brick, plaster, or concrete dust and ashes on his Gene Simmons lookin' mug.