All your womb are belong to us

This is just ridiculous. If South Dakotans don't want abortions, why don't they pass legislation to improve sex education, which means teaching kids (and some adults!) about birth control, not only abstinence.

And even if those same South Dakotans have a 50/50 chance on voting for this, they still should have the opportunity to vote on something so important.

Rei - your point of view is obvious to you, but - and I hate to break this to ya - it's not obvious to others. So, get going with the in depth explanation, k?

So you're against the war then?

Ah, kinda like defining what a human. I think the courts ruled blacks were 3/5ths human at one time.

Yeah Rei, get going on that - I just didn't wanna ask "why" again

Yeah!

just making sure, I get lost sometimes and forget who is for what in between all the Drahma

You try being a woman who has no other choice but to go a back alley butcher because she doesn't want a child of rape/violence/incest. This thread isn't about whether it's right or wrong. It's about the ability of a woman to get an abortion done safely if she does indeed choose to have one. You CAN be pro-choice AND anti-abortion, as most pro-choicers probably are. In the end it's not your judgement that really matters is it?

And perhaps your quote should read "killing humans is wrong, period"

Women are humans too, in case you forgot.

When the child is convicted of one of those crimes, and sentenced to death for it, I might be inclined to agree. Though I'm against Capital punishment.

I don't fall for the "it's only a woman's choice" argument, sorry.

So who's choice should it be?

So a woman should be forced to bear a child concieved during a violent rape? Maybe an 16 year old girl, raped by her father?

Are there two parents?

Does society have interest in the death of a child?

Do men and women go to war to defend the weak of our society?

I would say we all have an interest in every American human.

She will be far more traumatized by the knowledge her child was killed too. Two wrongs don't a right make.

Sure Jillian (And Joy ).

Basicly, it's bad law because it invented the "penumbra" arguement. It made a constitutional ruling based on something that is not in the consitution.

Basicly, it took something that was *not* in the constitution and based a law off it, and then in response to the inevitable cries of "unconstitutional", the court as much as said "It's constitutional if we want it to be, regardless of what the constitution says".

In other words, "nya nya na boo boo, we have ultimate power".

I never said I disagreed with the *intent* of the ruling (I'm marginally pro-life, but not fanaticly so, and I really only strongly object to very-late-term and partial-birth abortions, though I find the whole concept of using abortion as birth control to be slightly offensive), but I *absolutely* disagree with how the ruling was made.

I'm sorry Kevn, but it is only a woman's choice when she is left alone to care for a child she didn't want, can't afford to feed, doesn't know how to raise, etc.

And who's going to be there to feed, cloth, educate and raise this child... you? the government? foster care? I'll tell you who. Nobody. I think that's wrong. I think it's wrong to bring a child into this world who's pretty much branded for a lifetime of hunger, lack of education and in most cases crime. Yes, I know all the pretty stories about people that rose above these circumstances, unfortunately, they are not the majority.

I say we let women decide if they want to have a child, unless we're going to raise that child (properly) for her.

Leilany

That's not something you can decide.



That cuts both ways. Forcing 16 year old girl to carry to term a child concieved when her father raped her is wrong too.

Hmmm and I also did not see where I said it should ONLY be a woman's choice. In some cases it should, in some cases it shouldn't. I don't think abortions should happen, but I'm not about to judge anybody who has one. I'm not in their situation, and if I was, I might do the exact same thing. But I think (now here's the point I'm trying to make so ya don't miss it) that a woman should be able to have an abortion if she chooses (with possible input from the father - depending on the situation) in a safe, medically staffed place, and not have to worry about being arrested or harrassed for her desicion.

I think you misunderstood Sally's post (at least I hope you did). She was not saying the child could become any of those things, she was saying what if the pregnancy is a by-product of rape, incest, violence?

Not in many cases.

Note that biologic ancestry does not a parent make.



In point of fact, yes! It's actually in many societies best interests to abort as many children as possible. Now, ruthless pragmatism is along way from reality, but you did ask.



No, they go to war to defend the society.



Why only American?

Thank you for clarifying.

President Ford was an adopted baby. What's wrong with adoption instead of killing the child to protect her from poverty?

Funny how the people who bring this up don't ever seem hot on adopting, themselves.

Provide a link to babies I can adopt without getting on a 2 year waiting list and I will adopt every single one today.

There would be nothing wrong with adoption if the foster homes and places where these unwanted children are placed weren't bursting at the seams, under-employed and under-budgeted to the point where they lose kids and don't even know when they lost them.

There would be nothing wrong with adoption if, when they do get placed in a home, these kids wouldn't end up with crazy freaks like the ones on the news right now, that put disabled kids in cages bceause they were *difficult to handle*.

There would be nothing wrong with it if people were willing to adopt the minority kids, the older kids, the sick kids and the disabled kids.

I could think of more but it turns my stomach just to think about it.

Leilany

Bring back the Cretaceous Seaway