All your womb are belong to us

If you can't understand the answer, so sorry. It's my answer.

Never allow a woman the right to choose abortion.

So women are just second class citizens to you huh? I see how it is.

Sooooooo, it's not such a black and white issue is it?

... It would have to be decided by several doctors.

Let me guess... the doctors would be men

That's sick!!!!

He didn't say that.

I don't allow myself the right to kill innocent people for convenience either.

Naw, but I'm guessing that ID would have to be a minor in college

No, he didn't... I just made an educated guess

I never said I supported women getting abortions at their whim. I just don't think there should be any laws governing my body.

Whic part is sick?

Which part is sick?

Probably the part where you put words in my mouth

Then your answer, yes, you support a woman's right to control her body isn't true. You don't support her right to control her body in all cases. Only in cases you deem reasonable.

Let's start with "The Doctor's decide" and work our way backwards through this entire thread at your bizarre "Handmaid's Tale" blueprint for the future.


sick. sick. sick.

Kendra, I believe every human deserves the right to life. It's a basic freedom. The question I believe is really, "Who is human?" as I assume you agree innocent people deserve to not be killed.

You know, Kevn, you yourself are fast becoming my best argument for comprehensive sexual and reproductive health education. What you don't know about pregancy simply fascinates me.

Case in point: ectopic pregnancy. I won't assume you know what that means. It's when an egg implants outside the uterous, normally in the fallopian tubes. Such an embryo has a 0 percent chance of survival, and if the pregnancy is allowed to continue, the woman could easily die as well.

Ending the pregnancy is about all that can be done. Would we need a panel of doctors to decide this, too? Or is a woman even able to decide that for herself in your perfect world?

I knew a stridently anti-abortion woman once who had such a pregnancy and didn't bat an eyelash at terminating it.

Isn't it nice to know that you don't have to deal with that kind of emotional sitatuation in your future?

Who knows, maybe one day you will. Maybe your wife's life will be at risk one day and you'll have to make that fateful choice that seems so easy for you to come to an answer to right now.

Or maybe you've already had to make that decision once, and you're just a cool enough person to not regret your wife's death because of it.

I'm going to make my point simple for you.

You do NOT have the right to tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body. Period. You are not a woman, you can never know what women have to go through. Stop assuming you do.

But does that mean I'm for willy nilly convienience abortions?...

No.

Because once this second person enters the equation, you're not allowed to make the life or death decision for them. When I say person, I mean 4+ months into pregnancy. That's when I say you may call it a human life.

If the mother's life or health is at any risk, it's her choice. If not, she loses the right for an abortion due to the fact that the child is a person and deserves a chance to live. That's my stance.

There is no black and white. Grey areas exist.

I said in cases were several doctors determine the life of the mother WILL be lost if the pregnancy continues the Doctors can choose to end the child's life. The reason for several doctors is protection from wrong diagnoses.

Of course, I just don't accept that an embryo is a "people". To my mind you precede from a faulty premise, and it's not for you (or anyone) to decide what a woman must decide. It's a horrible decision to have to make and one not entered into lightly by any woman (no matter what they may even admit).

Abortions should legal.
Abortions should be safe.
Abortions should be rare.

Other than that, Kevn it's frankly not your call to make.

You are drawing a line at 4 months, so welcome to the camp of those of us who don't support a woman's right to absolutely control her own body.

And yes, I know I contradict myself in my own post. It happens.

I would never force my decision on a woman, period.

Should there be any restriction on a woman's right to control her own body?

Problem is, once a full grown child is involved, it's not just a matter of her own body anymore, is it?

You say the child is human at 4 months, I presume. I say the child is human at conception. She has her own dna, which is the blueprints to a different human. If she (the mother) were cutting out her kidney I would agree it's her body, but this child isn't her body at all. It only reside in her body for a few months.