I say the child is human at conception. She has her own dna, which is the blueprints to a different human.
Why stop there? Everytime you play slap and tickle with your Mr. Happy you're killing an unborn child.
Why?
Cos I say so.
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Kendra Bancroft
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02-23-2006 13:05
Why stop there? Everytime you play slap and tickle with your Mr. Happy you're killing an unborn child. Why? Cos I say so. _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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02-23-2006 13:07
Why stop there? Everytime you play slap and tickle with your Mr. Happy you're killing an unborn child. Why? Cos I say so. Kenda, sweetheart, you do understand the difference between sperm and a fertilized egg, right? No need to answer, it was rhetorical.  |
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Kya Eliot
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02-23-2006 13:09
Why stop there? Everytime you play slap and tickle with your Mr. Happy you're killing an unborn child. Why? Cos I say so. Why am I suddenly reminded of the Monty Python song...Every Sperm is Sacred?! |
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Kendra Bancroft
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02-23-2006 13:09
Kenda, sweetheart, you do understand the difference between sperm and a fertilized egg, right? No need to answer, it was rhetorical. Bible says I can stone you to death for onanism. No more bayonet polishing for you. _____________________
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Sally Rosebud
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02-23-2006 13:10
Kevn, you're trying to make this a black and white issue, when it isn't. You couldn't even answer yes or no, you had to add explanation. If YOU can't even make it black and white, why are you insisting OTHERS make it a black and white issue? NOBODY on this forum has said they WANT abortions to happen. But they do. You are not providing solutions, you are only providing arguments. There should be no legal ramifications for a woman who seeks to have an abortion. You seem to be under the impression that abortion is an easy desicion to make, it is not. There does not need to be a panel of doctors to decide whether or not to perform one. I would only hope, that if a woman decides to have an abortion, she has the opportunity for counseling first. And if the father IS in the picture (and the pregnancy wasn't the result of rape/incest) then the woman would consult him as well. But the world is full of grey. You are entitled to your opinion, as I am entitled to mine. But as long as you can see that there is a great big canyon full of grey on this issue, I'm happy.
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Buhamut Bligh
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02-23-2006 13:12
You say the child is human at 4 months, I presume. I say the child is human at conception. She has her own dna, which is the blueprints to a different human. If she were cutting out her kidney I would agree it's her body, but this child isn't her body at all. It only reside in her body for a few months. You cannot blindly say "No, women do not have a right to what happens to their body.". Since you are not a woman, you have no right to say that. At all. But I do feel that she has to deal with the consequences of her decision. You aborted past 4 months? You get to bury him/her with your own two hands. Yes, unusual punishment, but I always believed in that anyway. And as for that analogy, just because I tore up some blueprints does not mean I just tore down a building. |
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Kevn Klein
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02-23-2006 13:15
Bible says I can stone you to death for onanism. No more bayonet polishing for you. Provide scripture please |
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Kevn Klein
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02-23-2006 13:17
Kevn, you're trying to make this a black and white issue, when it isn't. You couldn't even answer yes or no, you had to add explanation. If YOU can't even make it black and white, why are you insisting OTHERS make it a black and white issue? NOBODY on this forum has said they WANT abortions to happen. But they do. You are not providing solutions, you are only providing arguments. There should be no legal ramifications for a woman who seeks to have an abortion. You seem to be under the impression that abortion is an easy desicion to make, it is not. There does not need to be a panel of doctors to decide whether or not to perform one. I would only hope, that if a woman decides to have an abortion, she has the opportunity for counseling first. And if the father IS in the picture (and the pregnancy wasn't the result of rape/incest) then the woman would consult him as well. But the world is full of grey. You are entitled to your opinion, as I am entitled to mine. But as long as you can see that there is a great big canyon full of grey on this issue, I'm happy. Just admit you don't absolutely support a woman's right to abort. Say that you see exeptions. I didn't insist on a yes or no answer. |
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Kendra Bancroft
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02-23-2006 13:18
Provide scripture please Genesis 38:7-9 _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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02-23-2006 13:20
You cannot blindly say "No, women do not have a right to what happens to their body.". Since you are not a woman, you have no right to say that. At all. But I do feel that she has to deal with the consequences of her decision. You aborted past 4 months? You get to bury him/her with your own two hands. Yes, unusual punishment, but I always believed in that anyway. And as for that analogy, just because I tore up some blueprints does not mean I just tore down a building. If we can agree the child is a separate human, we can verify that by the fact there is different dna, then we can agree that we are allowing a woman the right to kill another human just because that other human happens to reside within the woman's body. |
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Kendra Bancroft
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02-23-2006 13:21
If we can agree the child is a separate human, we can verify that by the fact there is different dna, then we can agree that we are allowing a woman the right to kill another human just because that other human happens to reside within the woman's body. you do know what DNA is --right? _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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02-23-2006 13:23
Genesis 38:7-9 Passage Genesis 38:7-9: 7 But Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the LORD's sight; so the LORD put him to death. 8 Then Judah said to Onan, "Lie with your brother's wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother." 9 But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. Where does it say you can stone people to death in these passages? |
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Buhamut Bligh
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02-23-2006 13:23
If we can agree the child is a separate human, we can verify that by the fact there is different dna, then we can agree that we are allowing a woman the right to kill another human just because that other human happens to reside within the woman's body. In the end, it's the woman's right, but save the baby when possible. |
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Kevn Klein
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02-23-2006 13:24
you do know what DNA is --right? Yes, A nucleic acid that carries the genetic information in the cell and is capable of self-replication and synthesis of RNA. DNA consists of two long chains of nucleotides twisted into a double helix and joined by hydrogen bonds between the complementary bases adenine and thymine or cytosine and guanine. The sequence of nucleotides determines individual hereditary characteristics. |
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Sally Rosebud
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02-23-2006 13:28
Just admit you don't absolutely support a woman's right to abort. Say that you see exeptions. I didn't insist on a yes or no answer. Yes you did. You said I either supported a woman's right to have control over her own body or I didn't. That sounds pretty black and white to me. It is my right to choose what I want to happen to my body. Once you, any other man, or person starts telling me, and other women what we can and cannot do to our own bodies, you are taking away a little piece of our humanity. And if everybody is equal in this country, then why is it only the only laws against a sex (that I'm aware of), are against a woman? I support fully a persons right to have control over their own body. _____________________
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02-23-2006 13:29
I support fully a persons right to have control over their own body. I am proudly right there with you Sally |
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Kendra Bancroft
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02-23-2006 13:32
Passage Genesis 38:7-9: 7 But Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the LORD's sight; so the LORD put him to death. 8 Then Judah said to Onan, "Lie with your brother's wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother." 9 But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. Where does it say you can stone people to death in these passages? Babylonian Talmud tractate Niddah 13a is the standard interpretation of this section of the Torah, and according to Jewish intepretation of the passage, the "spilling of one's seed" is punishable by death. Granted it doesn't have to be stoning. I guess we could wait for God to kill you as HE did Onan. _____________________
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Buhamut Bligh
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02-23-2006 13:33
Should have had him read Genesis 38: 7-10
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Kevn Klein
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02-23-2006 13:33
Yes you did. You said I either supported a woman's right to have control over her own body or I didn't. That sounds pretty black and white to me. It is my right to choose what I want to happen to my body. Once you, any other man, or person starts telling me, and other women what we can and cannot do to our own bodies, you are taking away a little piece of our humanity. And if everybody is equal in this country, then why is it only the only laws against a sex (that I'm aware of), are against a woman? I support fully a persons right to have control over their own body. Either you support the right of a woman to control her body or not. If you believe there are any exceptions, where a woman couldn't choose abortion, such as 1 day before birth, then you don't support a woman's right to control her body in all cases. BTW, is it okay for women to do drugs? |
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Kendra Bancroft
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02-23-2006 13:35
Should have had him read Genesis 38: 7-10 and ruin the surprise?? Sorry I don't do ******SPOILERS****** _____________________
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Kendra Bancroft
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02-23-2006 13:35
Should have had him read Genesis 38: 7-10 and ruin the surprise?? Sorry I don't do ******SPOILERS****** _____________________
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Sally Rosebud
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02-23-2006 13:34
BTW, is it okay for women to do drugs? You're gonna have to be more specific  _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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02-23-2006 13:35
Should have had him read Genesis 38: 7-10 It says nothing about stoning anyone. And the point wasn't his spilling seeds, but his refusal to impregnate his brother's wife. |
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Kendra Bancroft
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02-23-2006 13:36
It says nothing about stoning anyone. And the point wasn't his spilling seeds, but his refusal to impregnate his brother's wife. That's your interpretation. I'm gonna go with the thousands of year's old version. Stone all snake wranglers!!!! _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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02-23-2006 13:37
You're gonna have to be more specific Okay, is it ok for women do do crack cocaine? |
