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Why does it seem the SL population hates Christians?

Lucifer Baphomet
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04-25-2006 08:48
actually corvis it did repost with this crap.

From: Ty McCoy
This response was amazing. Such a thing makes the truth very clear. God wants to have a presense in SL. God is calling for the gospels to be spread through this new technology and give an alternative to the filth and sin that exist here. Many of you need, and are wheeping behind your harsh words to be saved by Jesus. It reminds me of Moses going up into the mountains to get the commandments while all the sin was going on by his followers at the bottom of the mountain.


my emphasis there, and why if it evagelises to me inworld, itll get a prim bible where the sun don't shine.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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04-25-2006 08:48
From: Corvus Drake
Well, after this got moved, the original poster (who has yet to respond in this thread)


Actually, he has. Go back about three pages.
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04-25-2006 08:50
I'd surmise that the people who would agree with Lewis and change their beliefs just based on what he said are those with the same mental complexes that get people to give their abusive Gorean Master their RL home address and schedule, leading to their abuse, or worse, rape and murder, because they were so easily influenced.

Getting people to change faith by holding a gun to their head just means they'll abandon it when you put the gun down.
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04-25-2006 08:50
From: Selador Cellardoor
No - it would be 'having people smitten'.


That might be a british-english thing. You rarely hear "smitten" in the biblican context around here, it's more often used to express infatuation... "She was smitten with his good looks", for example. Smote is generally used to refer to having been wacked with a lightning bolt by God in the past.
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04-25-2006 08:50
From: Lewis Nerd


Not everything done in God's name throughout history agrees with the Bible - and you'll find the same with Islam and other faiths too.

Lewis


Which is one reason I don't like religion. It can be used to justify the most atrocious behaviour.
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04-25-2006 08:50
From: Corvus Drake
Well, after this got moved, the original poster (who has yet to respond in this thread) created a bitchpost in the General forums asking why it was moved and claiming that Christianity was being descriminated against.

Which to me tells me that all this debate has been simply feeding an evangelistic troll.

At least, the debate is intelligent. For the most part. I've seen a few dumb things, like Pascal's Wager and assumption that all religions that believe in a form of Magick are tripe, but for the most part, very intelligent.

I will submit, though, that man created religion. Religion is not God. Religion was discovered the first time a rock fell off the top of a mountain and killed someone.

I don't think people should be held accountable for what they believe, but should be held accountable for how they express it to others once they claim the belief. Each person according to their own definition of sin. If you can't face yourself, regardless of belief, you're certainly not going to be able to face your deity.


Actually, you missed it, he did post again in here, and basically ruined his credibility:

From: Ty McCoy
This response was amazing. Such a thing makes the truth very clear. God wants to have a presense in SL. God is calling for the gospels to be spread through this new technology and give an alternative to the filth and sin that exist here. Many of you need, and are wheeping behind your harsh words to be saved by Jesus. It reminds me of Moses going up into the mountains to get the commandments while all the sin was going on by his followers at the bottom of the mountain.

Obviously, the original post in this thread doesn't tell the whole story. Something tells me Ty was spouting off at the Welcome Area or something. :)

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Lucifer Baphomet
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04-25-2006 08:51
From: Reitsuki Kojima
Actually, he has. Go back about three pages.


Ha! pipped you at the post, old bean.
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04-25-2006 08:52
From: someone
Why does it seem the SL population hates Christians?


Because some people are pricks:
1. Sometimes these people are Christians. When people hate them they don't want to acknowledge its because they're a prick and so they assume it's because they're Christian.
2. Sometimes these people pick on Christians because it gives them a rise. When you are angry it sometimes seems like everyone is against you.

Luckily most pople are well behaved. So, if you feel that Christians are being picked on by the population of SL its probably because of one of the two scenerios above. Think long and hard and try to determine which it is. If it's #2 make sure you abuse report the prick.
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04-25-2006 08:53
From: Selador Cellardoor
Which is one reason I don't like religion. It can be used to justify the most atrocious behaviour.


That's not the fault of the religion, it's the fault of the people using it as an excuse.

It's a bit like George Bush and the 'liberation' of Iraq when we all know it's all about the oil.

Lewis
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Reitsuki Kojima
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04-25-2006 08:53
From: Ty McCoy
This response was amazing. Such a thing makes the truth very clear. God wants to have a presense in SL. God is calling for the gospels to be spread through this new technology and give an alternative to the filth and sin that exist here. Many of you need, and are wheeping behind your harsh words to be saved by Jesus. It reminds me of Moses going up into the mountains to get the commandments while all the sin was going on by his followers at the bottom of the mountain.


You know, if God wanted something... I would think he, in his all-powerfullness, wouldn't need you to figure it out for us, and then act on it. I think the big man can take care of himself.
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04-25-2006 08:55
From: Lucifer Baphomet
Ha! pipped you at the post, old bean.
:p


Yeah, and I was off anyhoo. It's more like 10 pages back. How quickly time flies.
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04-25-2006 08:57
Wow, did you catch that? Lewis posted something sensible!

From: Reitsuki Kojima
You know, if God wanted something... I would think he, in his all-powerfullness, wouldn't need you to figure it out for us, and then act on it. I think the big man can take care of himself.


If God made an avvie, would it look like Jesus? Would LL get bombed if someone made a Muhammad?
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04-25-2006 08:57
From: Maxx Monde
Catholic girls in plaid skirts are *hot*.


I don't hate them at all!



One of the most exquisite memories of my life:

Moving into a secular college dormitory, and meeting girls that had known nothing other than an all-female catholic school beforehand.


The only thing even close to that experience: meeting a group of female "English as a Second Language" college students fresh from Japan about five years later.

I still have male friends giving me high fives for introducing them to the latter, and that was twenty years ago.
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04-25-2006 08:59
From: Desmond Shang
One of the most exquisite memories of my life:

Moving into a secular college dormitory, and meeting girls that had known nothing other than an all-female catholic school beforehand.


The only thing even close to that experience: meeting a group of female "English as a Second Language" college students fresh from Japan about five years later.

I still have male friends giving me high fives for introducing them to the latter, and that was twenty years ago.



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04-25-2006 09:18
It has been a nice chat here. You will not pursade me into becomming a non believer and you have heard the message and made your choice.

I accept your choice and will not be bothersome trying to change you. As far as I am concerned the message was delivered. It is up to each person to accept or reject.

Come on Lewis San lets get out of here before we become Christian Niku!

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04-25-2006 09:20
I was unaware anyone was trying to persuade anyone to not believe in something.
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04-25-2006 09:21
From: Champie Jack
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Wrong. Humans did not create religion, but are hard-wired for religious thought. Would you say that man ever had the choice to be social animals or solitary animals? I would argue that man never had that choice, just like man never had the choice to not have religious thought.



See this is something I always have a hard time with in debates, when people state opinion as fact and insist all others must believe it.

I am not "wrong", you are not "wrong".. we are each merely stating opinions.


From: someone
But thanks for your attempt to make me appear self-contradicting.



That was never my attempt.. I only asked you to clarify your convictions... Sorry you took it so personally, I'll keep that in mind in any future discussions.

As for self-contradicting... my view from my perspective is that your logic is flawed and your points seem contradictory to each other, as I'm sure you view my logic as flawed.... We disagree.

My OPINION is that religion, theology, religious thought, all of the above, are man made creations. I see them as primarily beneficial to man with some obvious exceptions, but I see them as man made. I do not believe the human brain is hard wired with anything except the ability to form coherent thought.

Note please that these opinions begin with "I believe... and my view" etc.
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04-25-2006 09:30
From: Corvus Drake
I was unaware anyone was trying to persuade anyone to not believe in something.

Me too. Come on Ranma, show us one post in this entire thread where anyone was trying to get someone not to believe in Christianity. You'll spend an eternity looking, cause it ain't there.
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04-25-2006 09:30
From: Ranma Tardis
It has been a nice chat here. You will not pursade me into becomming a non believer and you have heard the message and made your choice.


Who's trying to pursuade you of anything?

Enough of the martyr complex, really!
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04-25-2006 09:34
From: Ranma Tardis
It has been a nice chat here. You will not pursade me into becomming a non believer and you have heard the message and made your choice.

I accept your choice and will not be bothersome trying to change you. As far as I am concerned the message was delivered. It is up to each person to accept or reject.

Come on Lewis San lets get out of here before we become Christian Niku!


I've been following this thread (slow day at work) and this is what baffles me. Nowhere have I seen anyone try to persuade you or Lewis to change your beliefs. It makes me wonder if we are both speaking English.

I am deeply offended however that you would compare an open, and for the most part civil, discussion to be equal to being fed to a lion. Makes we wonder if we are living in the same reality.
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04-25-2006 09:38
I'm buying Jesrad Seraphs lion and lioness today.

Any christians with a half decent sense of fun will be fed to them.
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04-25-2006 09:39
I will say this:

Lewis, and more recently, Ranma, have assured that I certainly won't be rejoining the ranks of Christendom anytime soon.
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04-25-2006 09:43
From: Allana Dion
See this is something I always have a hard time with in debates, when people state opinion as fact and insist all others must believe it.

I am not "wrong", you are not "wrong".. we are each merely stating opinions.

Allana, (re: "hardwiring";) have you ever read the book "Why God Won't Go Away: Brain Science and the Biology of Belief" by Newberg & D'Aquili? It was a fascinating recount of studies into the effect of rituals on our brains. Their conclusion was that, yes, ritual worship (including meditation) has a pleasing effect on our brain chemistry and thus our outlook.

The authors didn't seem to me to push any particular agenda, approaching the topic from a data-driven scientific standpoint. And their conclusions allowed for more than one assumption depending on whether the reader believed in deities or not. I enjoyed the book even though it got a bit thick and heavy at points with the data.

Personally, I took from it that while we may not be hard-wired to believe in Gods (Shermer's How We Believe was more to that point), there is a physiological aspect to belief that does tend to encourage dopamine production, making worshipers (or meditators) feel good. And which makes them want to keep going it.
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04-25-2006 09:44
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Allana, (re: "hardwiring";) have you ever read the book "Why God Won't Go Away: Brain Science and the Biology of Belief" by Newberg & D'Aquili? It was a fascinating recount of studies into the effect of rituals on our brains. Their conclusion was that, yes, ritual worship (including meditation) has a pleasing effect on our brain chemistry and thus our outlook.

The authors didn't seem to me to push any particular agenda, approaching the topic from a data-driven scientific standpoint. And their conclusions allowed for more than one assumption depending on whether the reader believed in deities or not. I enjoyed the book even though it got a bit thick and heavy at points with the data.

Personally, I took from it that while we may not be hard-wired to believe in Gods, there is a physiological aspect to belief that does tend to encourage dopamine production, making worshipers (or meditators) feel good. And which makes them want to keep going it.


Does that mean that theists are addicts! :D

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Seriously, the book sounds fascinating... launching Amazon now.
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04-25-2006 09:45
There is a thin line between trying to change someone's beliefs and pointing out that their beliefs are irrational and baseless.

Either way, the people most in need of having Jesus brought into their lives are the ruling members of the Catholic Church.

Doesn't matter, the Universe doesn't exist anyway.
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