Why does it seem the SL population hates Christians?
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Warda Kawabata
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04-25-2006 05:57
I know I've come into this a bit late. And personally, I think the Goreans are nutters. Non-proselytising nutters, but still nuts. Christians are cool too as long as they keep their religion to themselves.
And to be honest, I have no problem with you claiming $deity wrote the Bible. But if that is your sincere claim, then I can only say that God must surely approve of slavery. Perhaps not exactly as demonstrated in Gor, never having studied those texts in any detail, but the Bible has several pages devoted to detailing exactly who may be made a slave, how long, how they are to be treated, situations under which they may be put to death, and so on. Either the Bible is the word of God and he approves of slavery, or the Bible is not the word of God. You can't hae it both ways.
Modern Christianity doesn't need the Bible to show its virtues, and relying on it as closely as you do to support what is essentially an anti-slavery argument is doing you no favours at all.
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04-25-2006 06:01
From: Ty McCoy This response was amazing. Such a thing makes the truth very clear. God wants to have a presense in SL. God is calling for the gospels to be spread through this new technology and give an alternative to the filth and sin that exist here. Many of you need, and are wheeping behind your harsh words to be saved by Jesus. It reminds me of Moses going up into the mountains to get the commandments while all the sin was going on by his followers at the bottom of the mountain. This response was amazing. Such a thing makes the truth very clear. God has abandoned the forums and wants no presence in SL. God is calling for all the blowhards to get out and annoy the non-believers and ruin their fun and filth and sin in a world that doesn't even really exist. Many of you are joyously cheering for the absence of god and are happy that Beckham scored on the rebound. It reminds me of Moses Malone and what a giant of a man he was. Many NBA players prayed to god that Moses wouldn't make them look bad. It also reminds me that this was all a big waste of time. Thanks.
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Jonas Pierterson
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04-25-2006 06:03
From: someone How do you explain the thousands of prophecies about Jesus all being fulfilled, some of which were written thousands of years before His birth? Either it was very good luck or a very well planned 33 year long practical joke ... or it's actually true. Funny how none of those prophecies exist outside of the judeo christian religions, eh? Also funny how there -was- a documented healer who was crucified after being betrayed by a friend. His name was Apollynius, a supposed half god. 35 BCE (Before Current Era for those not up to date on terms) Too many myths aside from the mythology of the bible..too many holidays stolen and converted into christian ones. So you know.. simplest explanation = prohpecies made up to make Jesus appear as a messiah Ill go with the simplest explanation for 100, Alex
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04-25-2006 06:05
From: Warda Kawabata And to be honest, I have no problem with you claiming $deity wrote the Bible. But if that is your sincere claim, then I can only say that God must surely approve of slavery. Perhaps not exactly as demonstrated in Gor, never having studied those texts in any detail, but the Bible has several pages devoted to detailing exactly who may be made a slave, how long, how they are to be treated, situations under which they may be put to death, and so on. Either the Bible is the word of God and he approves of slavery, or the Bible is not the word of God. You can't hae it both ways. The perfect, infallible God changes his mind an awful lot.
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04-25-2006 06:07
From: Magnum Serpentine The good news is, your not in charge and I can take part no matter what anyone says.
Is it that each time, you all have to dig up my past to make my point mute? My god, I am on your side in this one and you all still attack me.
No I will still post as normal. *sigh* Did you even read my post? Geez, I could post "The sky is blue", and you'd think it was a personal attack! I give up; you've just reinforced every point I made in my original post. I was merely answering a question you had asked about why people don't take you seriously, well, you've once again shown why with this reply. Please show me where I say that you can't take part in the forums? I was merely trying to explain why no one on these forums takes your seriously, and why no one takes your comments seriously in the discussion. It ain't me keeping you from being taken seriously in the discussions: its yourself. Regards, -Flip
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04-25-2006 06:21
From: Marcus Moreau I guess I respect that too. And I am glad you have such a strong faith (no sarcasm at all). But there's sticking up and there's condescending. The latter is what iks me about a lot of evangelists I have met (and as evidenced here). MM Why does Lewis San bother you? He is still trying while people like me have given up on people like you. The statement shows my flaws but I am not perfect just saved Like Lewis I find it strange how people dont critize the role playing going on in second life. Like simulated caging, forced colaring, torture, sadistic sexural acts, sex with minors, etc. However they hear the word christian and they go nuts. "how dare you!". Oh well I am just more quiet than Lewis and know when people are a lost cause. I understand your beliefs and respect your free will and right to make your own choices no matter how bad they are. You should respect our right to be believers. I dont want you to throw bible phrases at me and understand how they can and will be misquoted and taked out of context to prove your point. We will folow our path and you will follow yours.............
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Cindy Claveau
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04-25-2006 06:21
From: Lewis Nerd I'm not a preacher. Just self-righteous. From: someone Just trying to clear up a few common misconceptions that people are trying to falsely portray about the Christian faith. By spreading more misconceptions and myths. Nice job.
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Dale Glass
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04-25-2006 06:24
From: Lewis Nerd The wording may be different but the overall message remains the same.
There's no wiggling out of this. If the bible is the Word of God then it can't be imperfect. First, how come such imperfection comes from a perfect being? Second, if the bible can be shown to be incorrect, then how can you trust what it says about anything? For instance, that claim about God being perfect could be wrong as well. From: Lewis Nerd How do you explain the thousands of prophecies about Jesus all being fulfilled, some of which were written thousands of years before His birth? Either it was very good luck or a very well planned 33 year long practical joke ... or it's actually true.
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I don't know which exact prophecies you're talking about, but to answer that question in general is very easy. Some stuff is so vague nobody knows what it means until some current matches a twisted interpretation of the prophecies. For instance, see Nostradamus. Say a whole lot of weird stuff nobody gets and just sit and wait until somebody figures out how it can be understood to apply to a current event. Of course, the predictive value of such prophecies is about zero, but when 10 years later something happens, you can claim you predicted it! The other way is to just say a bunch of things that are completely obvious and are guaranteed to happen. "There will be a war in the next century", "The sun will rise tomorrow". For instance, I could predict that a famous soccer player will break his leg in the next decade -- the odds are pretty good it will work! Another thing is that the bible is far from trustworthy. How do you know the accounts of what Jesus did are true?
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04-25-2006 06:26
From: Lewis Nerd Romans 10:12-14 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile-- the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." 14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?
Next....
Lewis You're still dodging these passages presented below and I'm still waiting for a reply. Oh, but wait, bacon is okay now, so infallible G-d changed his mind? Why do you ignore the inconsistencies? Because once that starts to crumble, you see the foundation of sand that literalists like yourself have built their belief structure on? From: Me, for the second time 1 Peter 2:18 "Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."
Colossians 3:22 "Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord."
1 Timothy 6:1 "All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name and our teaching may not be slandered."
Matthew 10:24 "A student is not greater than the teacher. A slave is not greater than the master."
Revelation 2:22-23 "So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds."
Killing children? Slavery? Nice. When will you respond, Lewis? Your first excuse was that "Oh, that's the Old Testament, so it doesn't count, and you didn't even research it yourself." Although your passage above from Romans seems to say to me that the Old Testament still counts. Well, I researched these points myself, and you're failing to respond. Unless in your silence you're saying you believe slavery and murdering children to be a good thing. I kind of stuck up for you earlier in this thread, giving you credit for standing up and saying I don't think the original poster was your alt; don't disappoint me. Reply to these passages. From: Surreal Farber After seeing this post, I question whether your original post tells the full story. Sounds like someone was recruiting / evangelizing at the Welcome Area. This, I do have a problem with. From: Ranma Tardis Why does Lewis San bother you? He is still trying while people like me have given up on people like you. The statement shows my flaws but I am not perfect just saved
Like Lewis I find it strange how people dont critize the role playing going on in second life. Like simulated caging, forced colaring, torture, sadistic sexural acts, sex with minors, etc. However they hear the word christian and they go nuts. "how dare you!". Oh well I am just more quiet than Lewis and know when people are a lost cause. They're PLAYING. Role playing. You're not. You and Lewis are being arrogant, self-rightous and condescending to the point of obnoxiousness. No Gorean has ever told me that I'm going to hell if I don't accept their lifestyle as my own. They've always been polite. LIVE AND LET LIVE ALREADY.Regards, -Flip
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04-25-2006 06:30
Catholic girls in plaid skirts are *hot*.
I don't hate them at all!
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04-25-2006 06:32
From: FlipperPA Peregrine Oh, but wait, bacon is okay now... Whew!! My entire lifestyle was teetering on the brink... I suppose bacon with ice cream is still a no-no though. 
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Reitsuki Kojima
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04-25-2006 06:36
From: Ranma Tardis Like Lewis I find it strange how people dont critize the role playing going on in second life. Like simulated caging, forced colaring, torture, sadistic sexural acts, sex with minors, etc. However they hear the word christian and they go nuts. "how dare you!". Oh well I am just more quiet than Lewis and know when people are a lost cause. Its not "people here the word christian and they go nuts". Its that arrogant people decide that we "fear" the word of god and we know the truth but deny it and such. The day a Gorean trys to convert me to Goreanism, I'll condemn them too. Live and let live. Goreans (mostly) get that. Christians, a lot of them, do not. From: Ranma Tardis I understand your beliefs and respect your free will and right to make your own choices no matter how bad they are. You should respect our right to be believers. I dont want you to throw bible phrases at me and understand how they can and will be misquoted and taked out of context to prove your point. And I don't want you to throw bible phrases or comments about my "rejection of truth" at me, PERIOD. Capiche?
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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04-25-2006 06:38
From: Surreal Farber Whew!! My entire lifestyle was teetering on the brink... I suppose bacon with ice cream is still a no-no though.  ... ...yes. That's sick. Never invite me to a cake-and-icecream party at your house, okay?
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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04-25-2006 06:39
From: FlipperPA Peregrine Unless in your silence you're saying you believe slavery and murdering children to be a good thing.
LIVE AND LET LIVE ALREADY.
The Angel of Death (god's agent) has murdered plenty of children. Especially during the Exodus. Briana Dawson
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04-25-2006 06:40
From: Dale Glass I don't know which exact prophecies you're talking about, but to answer that question in general is very easy. Some stuff is so vague nobody knows what it means until some current matches a twisted interpretation of the prophecies. For instance, see Nostradamus. Ok.... have a look at http://www.amazingchange.org/PropheciesConcerningJesus.htmhttp://www.jesusplusnothing.com/prophecy.htmhttp://www.manavai.com/n_articles_p2.htmhttp://www.amfi.org/messipro.htmThose are just a few of them, and a few articles concerning them. Lots of people rely on Nostradamus' prophecies but I don't see them being attacked. From: Dale Glass Another thing is that the bible is far from trustworthy. How do you know the accounts of what Jesus did are true? It's called faith. Lewis
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04-25-2006 06:41
From: Surreal Farber Whew!! My entire lifestyle was teetering on the brink... I suppose bacon with ice cream is still a no-no though.  How'd you like those burgers I made at the BBQ with the bacon chunks in them? I think we still have some left!  Nice, those look like really fair, neutral, objective sources there Lewis! Let me guess, they all tell me about the truth because its GOD'S WORD, right? Tired, tired, tired. Nostradamus's believers have never told me I'm going to hell because I don't believe what they believe. Goreans have never tried to convert me. Therein, once again, lies the difference. But whatever, enjoy your little role-play.  -Flip
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04-25-2006 06:42
From: Dale Glass I don't know which exact prophecies you're talking about, but to answer that question in general is very easy. Some stuff is so vague nobody knows what it means until some current matches a twisted interpretation of the prophecies. For instance, see Nostradamus. Say a whole lot of weird stuff nobody gets and just sit and wait until somebody figures out how it can be understood to apply to a current event. Of course, the predictive value of such prophecies is about zero, but when 10 years later something happens, you can claim you predicted it! Many, if not most, Biblical scholars also acknowledge that the account of events in Scripture were often changed to fit prophecy. It was done throughout history for various kings. Christ (and his followers) were no different. From: someone Another thing is that the bible is far from trustworthy. How do you know the accounts of what Jesus did are true? They're likely not. The only objective group of academics to study this has been the Jesus Seminar, who applied their collective knowledge and experience to the gospels and determined that most of what is printed in the NT probably didn't happen at all. It's apocryphal. Of course, that collection of Biblical Scholarship (including anthropologists, linguists and theologians) has been condemned by literal fundamentalists because they disagree with THEIR absolute truths. Predictable.
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04-25-2006 06:42
From: Reitsuki Kojima ...
...yes.
That's sick. Never invite me to a cake-and-icecream party at your house, okay? One day you will realize the blinding truth of Bacon Ice Cream*, and you will throw yourself at its "feet" in praise and worship!! You will don your tiny golden spoon, and put the image on countless bumperstickers and lapel pins. *shortly to be a Ben & Jerry's flavor
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04-25-2006 06:43
From: FlipperPA Peregrine How'd you like those burgers I made at the BBQ with the bacon chunks in them? I think we still have some left!  Regards, -Flip OMG - those things were divine. When are you inviting me back over for dinner!!
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04-25-2006 06:45
From: Ty McCoy This response was amazing. Such a thing makes the truth very clear. God wants to have a presense in SL. God is calling for the gospels to be spread through this new technology and give an alternative to the filth and sin that exist here. Many of you need, and are wheeping behind your harsh words to be saved by Jesus. It reminds me of Moses going up into the mountains to get the commandments while all the sin was going on by his followers at the bottom of the mountain. i don't want to be saved by Jesus or by anyone for that fact because I don't feel that I need to be saved by the likes of you. Hey wait, maybe I should try to save you and all of those other poor wretches and bring them over to the true way and the true light of atheist and agnosticism. Oh wait, thats right, I don't like to ENFORCE my beliefs on other people who already have a way of their own. Its people like you that reaffirm my stance on being an atheist forever. Damned, I may be in your eyes, but at least I made the decision on my own.
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04-25-2006 06:46
From: FlipperPA Peregrine How'd you like those burgers I made at the BBQ with the bacon chunks in them? I think we still have some left!  Ugh Flip, that sounds like it tastes as bad as communion Briana Dawson
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04-25-2006 06:47
From: Lewis Nerd It never fails to amaze me how people have no problem with "Member of XXX cybersluts group" or "Member of horny Satanists group", "Member of naked Wiccans group" or that they openly practise slavery in their profile, yet simply stating something along the lines of "I am a Christian" stirs up so much hatred. However, it's something that has happened for 2000 years - and it's perhaps a shame that all the open minded, progressive, supposedly liberated people that play SL aren't able to look beyond their own prejudices. I have no problem with others in game doing things I find distasteful - and merely go elsewhere when I encounter it, yet people can't seem to avoid attacking Christianity because they feel that 'it has no place in SL'. Frankly there is a lot more that has even less of a place in SL but no, attacking that is somehow restricting their freedom of expression.
I rarely bother to post in the off topic forum but felt that this point needed to be made, in order to make people think about what they are doing and saying about this issue. Just because some people choose not to believe in Christ does not make Christ cease to exist - or His Word any less valid and applicable to every person reading this thread.
Lewis I'll drop some plywood and nails into your inventory so you can martyr yourself in a true sense of the word. At least all the bad heathen pagan people stopped feeding Christians to lions awhile back. Whats the worst that happens now.... ohhh someone hurts your feelings. wah wah wah my pussy hurts.
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04-25-2006 06:47
From: Jennyfur Peregrine i don't want to be saved by Jesus or by anyone for that fact because I don't feel that I need to be saved by the likes of you and who the fuck do you think you are to impose YOUR will onto the rest of us. SO bugger off and stay the fuck away from me with your hopes of salvation.
Hey wait, maybe I should try to save you and all of those other poor wretches and bring them over to the true way and the true light of atheist and agnosticism. Oh wait, thats right, I don't like to ENFORCE my beliefs on other people who already have a way of their own. Its assholes like you that reaffirm my stance on being an atheist forever. Damned, I may be in your eyes, but at least I made the decision on my own.
Don't you have a crucific to go nail yourself to now? wooo hooo that's what im talking about! Briana Dawson
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04-25-2006 06:48
From: FlipperPA Peregrine You're still dodging these passages presented below and I'm still waiting for a reply. Oh, but wait, bacon is okay now, so infallible G-d changed his mind? Why do you ignore the inconsistencies? Because once that starts to crumble, you see the foundation of sand that literalists like yourself have built their belief structure on? When will you respond, Lewis? Your first excuse was that "Oh, that's the Old Testament, so it doesn't count, and you didn't even research it yourself." Although your passage above from Romans seems to say to me that the Old Testament still counts. Well, I researched these points myself, and you're failing to respond. Unless in your silence you're saying you believe slavery and murdering children to be a good thing. I kind of stuck up for you earlier in this thread, giving you credit for standing up and saying I don't think the original poster was your alt; don't disappoint me. Reply to these passages. Sounds like someone was recruiting / evangelizing at the Welcome Area. This, I do have a problem with. They're PLAYING. Role playing. You're not. You and Lewis are being arrogant, self-rightous and condescending to the point of obnoxiousness. No Gorean has ever told me that I'm going to hell if I don't accept their lifestyle as my own. They've always been polite. LIVE AND LET LIVE ALREADY. Regards, -Flip I am not going to debate my faith with you. You could not disprove it to me no matter what. Why do you want to destroy our faith? You dont have a problem with people "recruiting" newbies as subs do you? Someone not far from me was big on posting how he wanted to catch, molest, kill and eat a young girl. Last week he caught, molested, killed and was planning on eating the young girl when the ploice found him. I think role playing can very easily slip from fake to the real thing. Still dont understand why espressing our belief should bother you when you dont believe?
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04-25-2006 06:49
From: Lewis Nerd Romans 10:12-14 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile-- the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." 14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?
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Lewis I know quite a few Jews who would beg to differ and that being the ones who do not accept Jesus as the son of god, lord savior blah blah blah. NEXT.
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