Abortion: Putting A Face On The Issue

Kendra, I get deeply frustrated with arguments over what is or is not a human being, because as far as I'm concerned, it has no point if everyone is eager to reduce the number of abortions that take place. Focusing on disagreement, while fun, does nothing to correct the problem. Focusing on a common goal can actually make things better.

So, are you saying a woman has no right to an abortion after viability? Sounds like it in this post.

No, you might have a twin. But if it doesnt have the same DNA it's not part of your body.

I do have a twin, and you are wrong. Identical Twins share the same DNA. So how is my Sister not of my body?

Soon abortion will be illegal, and then we can say "To the group who thinks abortion should be legal, too bad, taking the life of another human being is not acceptable as a choice."

Stop judging people for defending weak little girls who are in danger of death at the hands of doctors, by the direction of their mothers.

Do you read, I said "no" to your question "So in your opinion --something with the exact same DNA as me isn't to be considered a human being?"

Never gonna happen. Republicans require it as a wedge issue. They've been playing people like you as idiots for years.

Are you saying that all fetuses are female? Or are you trying to make me feel bad about the potential extra feminists that might be aborted?

You must have missed the part about women who are determined to have abortions regardless of legality. Oh, that's right, they deserve whatever happens to them.

No. I actually find the whole "person - not person" debate a bit silly. It's semantics. I'd support abortion at any time prior to birth, and even at time of birth in the case of severe birth defects or disabilities. If I had to make a compromise though then yes, I'd probably put the dividing line at viability.

I said unless the fetus has your dna, she isn't part of you. I didn't say because another has your dna they are you. Can you say "Obtuse"?

Guess...

Okay, good, at least you admit there is a fair place to draw a distinction.

Why yes, yes I can. Here. I'll demonstrate. Holy s*** you're obtuse! Happy now?

You're the one using DNA as a decision making factor, not me. According to your definition my sister and I are the same person. What differentiates us?

Sweetie, follow the line of thinking here.....

A toenail or hair strand shares the DNA with you, as does your twin, triplet etc. But the fetus DOES NOT share your DNA, and therefore is NOT part of you in any way.

The fact your twin shares your DNA has no bearing on these facts what so ever.

Who is going to win this illustrious award?

why?

What other part of your body doesn't share your DNA?

Why are using DNA as a marker? And if DNA is a marker explain to me why my sister and I are different people.

BTW --sometimes people are born with multiple strands of DNA inhabiting various parts of their body. Are they many people?

http://www.thetech.org/genetics/ask.php?id=75

Twins sometimes share DNA, so what? I never said twins who share DNA are the same person.

I said, and you wish to change the subject because you can't answer it, is unless it shares your DNA, there is no way you can suggest it's your body, even if it's in your body.

Have you ever heard of RED HERRING?

A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:


Topic A is under discussion.
Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A (when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A).
Topic A is abandoned.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because merely changing the topic of discussion hardly counts as an argument against a claim.

Since you've been - repeatedly - told that it wasn't a good idea to use that term around here after using it once before...

More red herring? Yum

nice cut&paste --but it doesn't answer my question.

Until you can answer it, I refuse any more discussion on this subject with you.

Why do you use distinct DNA as a marker?

Thank you for your opinion as to my choice of words. I have considered your demands and chose to use the words I feel comfortable using. I promise to give you the same courtesy.