Why do you find rape entertaining?

I never said they should do anything about it, I don't really care. As I said from the get-go, I don't like it, but it's all consenting adults. I'm sure pretty much everyone here can say the same thing about something. I also never said they owed me anything. It was a question, that was all.

Witch hunts?

Everyone likes a good witch hunt, as long as they're not the witch.

Actually, someone probably would like that too.

Thank you for responding, by the way. I didn't really have anything to add to what you said, but I can see how it makes sense.

I'm also leaving work and heading home, so I won't be in posting range for a bit.

I think Artemis only used it for the wwii connection... You could replace it with any other ethnicity and it would still be bad...
Somehow saying jewish makes it bad because... all things considered, I wouldn't want to bet against at least some of it happening back then... Those were bad times.

Nothing I do is going to desensitize other people since I don't generally do it in front of other people.

As for desensitizing myself, I think I'm capable enough of discerning the difference between playacting and the real thing to continue understanding how horrific the real thing is, no matter how much fun I might have with the playacting.

Well, take out Jewish and you still have sexual slave mutilation in a concentration camp, if you took out concentration camp then yeah then that'd be dolcett.

I'm just curious to how far a person can go before it's considered to wholesale screwed up by the entire community that it'd be condemned. Because as I said before, i'm fascinated by the fact that a historically accurate representation of a concentration camp was taken down, but everything from sexual decapitations, rape, slavery, and cannibalism is not only allowed in Second Life but supported by many members in and out of said community.

Keeping in mind that I don't really care about this and i'm not condeming any of it actually. One thing that's never managed to stay in SL was Nazis. Anything Nazi related is usually taken apart by the lindens or banned, which is interesting, since so much of the stuff that is what gives nazi's their bad stigma happens in SL under the concept of sexual roleplay. So what makes any nazi insignia so different if they could be as well protected under the "just fantasy" line of debate.

What's most important here is to distinguish between a person who is hateful and a person is opinionated. Everyone deserves their opinion and you have no right to repress that, however there is an understandable reason to try and surpress things that could be outright hateful.

Yes. Agreed. Wasn't saying Jewish and not any other nationality. You could say Hispanic toaster kitchen aids etc and it would still be bad. You could say Catholic and it would be bad. Point being that bringing it into the here and now is bad but that since BDSM toasters and sofas don't actually exist, no one cares if they have sex.

"hey I went into Second Life and my 12 year old dragon had sex with this 500 year old vampire and we did all this kinky stuff!"

yawn.

not real.

I file that under "The Mysterious and Unfathonable Ways of the Mods", Artemis. Who knows?

Well, I think "Rape" qualifies under devastating real life event that shouldn't be glorified but that's my opinion and besides the point.

Out of curiousity, and I address this to everyone on the thread:

What would be your limit in terms of SL sexuality or content, what would get to the point that was sexualized and supported by some group that'd be SO offensive and disgusting that you just couldn't take it?

Actually, I take that back, I will make a guess. A virtual concentration camp is very likely to come to the attention of rl groups who would come down on SL like a hammer if they got wind of it. There aren't too many anti-cannibal organizations.

Consentual sexual fantasy, even of the very weirdest kind, is one thing. Reinacating real life events such as attempted genocide, in loving detail, is another.

Can, uh, we change the topic please?

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In my case... as soon as one party is uncertain, then you're on dangerous ground. However... consent is what matters and if the submissive (or victim if you like) wants to play along, then most things are ok... It is however, the Dom(me)s responsibility to remind the sub that she (or he) can say no.

Well.. i don't really care for age play. I mean not at all. Squibbs me out something horrid. With or without sex its just eiwww for me. But for me, anyway, what that means is that i don't do that thing and I stay away from people and places that do. I don't want to restrict it. Same thing with any sort of mutilation.. just eiwww. Not my kink. But again, all that means is that I'm not going to those places where they do that sort of thing. The whole pregnancy in SL squibbs me out as well. In a big way. I just stay away from those people who are pregnant although I really think their bellies talking while they are in shops and the like ought to be curbed. But I can leave a shop if they are there and I often do.

I can't take a lot of things. I just make it my business to be elsewhere when they are going on.

As long as they keep it in SL, I don't think there is really a limit. At least not anymore. When I start seeing groups that roleplay as wolves and say that they would never kill a human or pet, but they have no problem eating a dead one, I believe that is getting a little too close to real life. I really think SL has crossed the line as of late from "harmless roleplay" to "OH MY GOD WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?!". Because really, as much as people say that it's all pretend or roleplay, alot of the aspects related to said roleplay will turn up somewhere in how that people behaves in real life, but it a minor or major aspect.

It's only my opinion, but I don't believe SL should be supporting or allowing alot of these groups to continue. You may call it discrimination, but I don't believe that the "Dead Pony Fuckers Roleplay Club" have any rights. Of course that would bring up the question "How SL would go about stopping these groups, and which groups would be brought to attention?".

I'm sure there are some kinks out there I haven't heard of but I THINK I've seen all SL has to offer at the moment, and sexual ageplay involving minors is the only thing that rubs me the wrong way, personally. I don't do it, and I don't allow my girls to do it either.

But even then I actually recognize it as a valid form of D/s roleplay; it's just not a topic I'm personally comfortable with.

There is a form of ageplay I've seen both in RL and in SL where both participants play adults, but the dominant party forces the submissive one to behave as a child; wear diapers, crawl around, be spoonfed, etc, but at no time are they pretending that the submissive is an actual child. I guess I don't have a problem with that. *shrug*

And just how do we decide who gets to judge whats allowable and whats not? Whose standards do we go by? Your idea of whats acceptable and mine are likely to be very very different. If you're not into dead pony f***ers roleplay, then don't join the club, no one says you have to.

The minute you start shutting out one group of people because some don't like what they do, that builds and builds upon itself until eventually we have a society where nothing outside of the commonplace and ordinary is acceptable at all anymore.



Well for one thing people's sexual fantasies and roleplay (most of the time) are a private thing and not usually on public display. Someone hanging a picture of Hitler up in their own living room on their own private land is not likely to get as harsh a response from LL or anyone else as someone who blows up that same picture and puts it on the side of a building for all to see. Just guessing here, but most likely LL is responding to a fear of being judged guilty by association. Personally I'm not about to befriend someone who thinks Hitler was a cool guy, but I won't refuse him his right to think so either. Then I also wont refuse another person's right to speak out against it either.

This part of what you said I'm sorry but I didn't understand it all. Perhaps you could clarify?

Well, I answered most of that in the part you cut off. It's not so much that I don't have a taste for dead pony fucking, it's that dead pony fucking behavior is brought outside of SL and into SL. Not saying that people who fuck dead ponies in SL are going to do it in real life, but that it will directly or indirectly affect other aspects like social interaction.

And like I said, the standards are already there. They are set by society, and are set for a reason. No, not just because we find such and such icky, but because such and such act would break parts of society. Maybe it brings physical harm, verbal harm, poor social interaction, ect. Things that will not only affect the person who does the act, but also the people around them.

Besides, the types of groups I was pointing out were the extremes. People who would eat people, or have sex with animals for some sort of roleplay aspect all in real life. When a guy says he has no problem eating a dead human because he thinks he is a wolf; it means it's time to rethink about terms of roleplay and what is "too far".

I'm pretty sure that the main reason Nazi imagery in not allowed in SL is because there's a number of European countries (like Germany) that have laws against it and LL doesn't want to get dragged into court by a foreign government. Ebay's rules ban the listing of Nazi items on their auction site for the same reason.

I can't see it. I don't see how someone pretending to be a wolf eating people leads to affecting people in the real world. You just said you're not saying that people who do these things in roleplay means that they would do them in real life so how does it in any way affect real life? How does any act in "play" that isn't real "break parts of society"?

And bringing it back to sexuality for a moment, which was where this thread started, how does what one person does in their own bedroom have any impact on society at large?

Well, being eaten by a guy would affect my whole living thing I got going on.

And what I ment was that NOT ALL people who have sex with dead animals will do so in real life, but some will. And even if they don't, said necro-zoophiles could and often will have some aspect of their social lives affected by their fetish; which will have an affect on that person and the people around them.

Like I said, if they keep their acts as "play" that isn't real, there would be no problem. But the internet is proof that this is rarely the case.

They couldn't be dragged into court by Germany unless their servers were in Germany. However, it could cause a problem for German SL'ers, if SL was blocked or something.

Lookit, if some guy on SL is into strangling and fucking dead virtual animals while wearing a nazi uniform and screaming "MOMMY!!", I think said dude should be watched, virtual reality or no, heh.

The thing is, you don't know who is behind the avatar and what their motivation is. The male avie playing the "rapist" could be a female rape victim in rl for all you know.

Now see I wouldn't even know necro zoophile is a word haha and I dont think most people do. What you're talking about is such an extreme that it is a miniscule portion of society (if any really). This thread started off being about a very common form of roleplay. I really don't think the two subjects even have much to do with each other. But for the sake of argument lets say they do. People as a society still can't decide it's ok to tell someone they have to limit thier fantasies because someone else might be afraid they'll make them real.

It isn't logical to assume that a man who enjoys holding his partner down and pretending to force her to submit is any more likely to go out and rape a stranger just because he indulges the fantasy a few times. Frankly I'd be more worried about the guy who has the fantasy and suppresses it than I would about the guy indulging it in private.

Now if it isnt logical to assume that a rape fantasy would lead to real rape, then it isn't any more logical to assume that the extreme fantasies you're describing are likely to lead to that extreme behavior in real life.

On a seperate note I would like to ask you the question Tren, why does your signature say "furryism is a disability"? What does that mean?

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Now that I never thought of before. I can see how for some that would be therapautic.

I think the problem here is that you underestamate the things people would actually do in real life. If you want, I can point you to sites where this stuff does or comes extremely close to crossing the line of "play". You are correct in saying "People with diaper fetishes that like to be punished if they poop their diaper by having an object... "block" said exit hole on the internet doesn't mean that they will do it in real life", but I think a little warning flag needs to be raised for them, specially if they have children.

As for my signature, it's more of a joke really.

Well no not especially if they have children. Someone who roleplays pedophilia would need to be watched if they have children. For the rest of society no matter what their personal kink is, their sexuality has absolutely nothing to do with their parenting.

And the signature.... I think a joke is supposed to be humorous. I guess it is to you and I'm missing something, sorry.

And no please don't point me to any sites...nooooo ty I dont want to know. *covers eyes*