Why do you find rape entertaining?

The dead can't say no.

You presume, eh? Good presumin'.



I wasn't the first to say that, thanks. And in my opinion, roleplaying rape is trivializing it.



Calling it a crime was never even on the radar until you suggested it. I said right off the bat that it was a consensual adult activity and nobody was actually being hurt, I just asked what the appeal was.

If you're insinuating that last statement about me, I've never been raped or raped anybody, and I don't get off on rape, or else this whole thread would be fairly pointless now wouldn't it?

There seems to be a lot of people here on this forum who are judgmental about a LOT of things who aren't interested in learning more in order to get rid of those judgments, who try to cover up their judgments by using "nice" wording, and then expect people to not see through the wording. There are a lot of very intelligent people on this forum as well who can read between the lines quicker than most scholars.

I've never met anyone who was TRULY open-minded about EVERYTHING. I've met plenty of people who are open minded about MOST things. No matter how hard someone tries, they're always going to be judgmental about SOMETHING. To not have ANY judgments about ANYTHING means that someone has no sense of self. There's always something that can be learned--the more one knows, the more one realizes how little he or she knows.

People either TRY to keep an open mind, or they revel in their judgments. The ones that TRY to keep an open mind will at some point try to bring up subjects in as friendly of a manner as they know how so they can understand something more so they don't continue to have those judgments, but then there's also the people who get defensive when others point out the fact that they're actually judgmental about the subject. They're the types of people who will jump up and down screaming that they're not being judgmental when in fact they are.

What's odd is that you're spending all your energy arguing at people instead of actually listening and responding to those who have said what they find appealing in the fantasy. So, again, what was your purpose in asking the question?

I can't say that's ever happened to me, but a regular sneeze DOES feel good. That moment right after it, when the shockwave ripples through the good ole thought-meats. I won't say it's orgasmic but I could see how others might. A release of pent up pressure!

As for pent up sexuality -- I have spent most of my life in the Deep South. It's amazing what sort of weird, twisted concepts people contrive about their own repressed sexuality. Sadly, a lot of it gets vented as intrafamilial sexual abuse.

That's not a trival matter either, but I don't particularly feel the need to cast a light upon those who want to roleplay incest. It makes me go EWWWWWWW but a lot of stuff people like to enact does, either in roleplay or in real life. Like eating their own feces.

Seriously, what kind of person would want to do that. Something must be...wrong with them.

Ok, I'll go with that, to an extent. If I'm being chased around my bed pretending to run, pretending to fight back and its all roleplay then yes I'm turning it into a trivial silly thing. (in some cases the giggling would be a sure sign ) But I'm making it trivial and silly to ME. I'm not going to a rape crisis center and trying to make real victims see it that way. Rape fantasies dont' trivialize rape for society as a whole, it indulges a desire or need for that one person only and for some maybe the trivializing or simplifying of it IS what she needs.

*shudders violently*

Yeaaaa well as long as they're not askin me to do it or showing me their honeymoon photos of it, then hey whatever works for 'em.

EDIT: But I guess you know what to get them for their birthday... a case of mouthwash.

Can someone invite me to that group?

Thanks!

I think you'll find for the first 40 posts of the thread, I was, until people started in on the attacks. Since then there's been little of value except Fmeh's post about being desired. I can only respond to so many things at once.

But Karsten, repeating that rolepalying a rape fanasty "trivialises it" is a judgment of those who do so. It implies that they don't take it seriously as a real life crime, (even though they may well have been victims themselves, you have no idea), and that they are somehow indirectly insulting those that have had this happen to them.

As I said, the same can be said of those who play any violent game where people, players and npcs, are "killed". And people who are victims of real violence play them, as well.

I probably have had every fantasy known to man in my mind because I'm built that way, I'm curious and not afraid of my own thoughts. (I'm also not easily offended because I already know and accept I'm a weirdo, have long ago, lol. But I can understand others feeling that way.) That doesn't mean I want to see them enacted in real life, either to myself or anyone else. Nor does it mean I am capable of it. It isn't real, that is the nature of fantasy and the imagination. Virtual reality allows people to act out those fantasies with other people, which is more intense, but it still isn't real. And it isn't meant as a commentary on the real thing, either.

I also agree, to an extent. You're not going down to the rape crisis center and telling them it's all just a silly game, but then on the other side, I have to wonder if making it silly and trivial to yourself doesn't in some way desensitize people to it when it actually happens.

On that thread though:

GTA Trivializes vehicular manslaughter

Quake trivializes xenomorphobia

Black and White Trivializes religion

Command and Conquer trivializes terrorism

D&D Trivializes mysticism

Television trivializes everything.


Why should rape be treated differently when many of its equivalent horrors are the stuff of our collective fantasy?

I still think the SL community has a private ambition to see how far they can push something before the entire community just goes "That....is just too far."

I think it's going to end up at sexual mutilation of children....actually now that I think about it that's probably happened already. I don't know it's getting hard to think of something that could be considered "too far" in Second Life.

What I find most interesting however is how people scream "It's JUST fantasy" in terms of things like Rape and slavery. But when the WWIIOLers built a jewish concentration camp, it caused a huge uproar and the Lindens removed it form the grid. So apparently historical builds of terrible events=not okay, but sexualizing a horrible event as roleplay=perfectly okay to the point that if you say something against it then you're prejudiced.

Actually I think that might be it. Sexual mutilation and slavery of jewish children in a WWII era concentration camp roleplay.

I think that might be the line for fetishes going too far.

Never played GTA, Quake, B&W, C&C or D&D and I don't watch television.

I also don't fault anybody who has or does, they're just not my cup of tea. I prefer a nice bergamont.

Ypu forgot Vampire Gorean Furry... should have been in there somewhere...


Sexual mutilation & slavery of jewish vampire gorean furry children in wwii era...

nah, I don't wanna go there, it's too sick... ewww... someone clean my mind please...

Sounds like we've got a winner!

The one fetish that if it happens, will be so appalling that the defense of "it's JUST fantasy" won't come up.

Thank you, well said.

I also wouldn't be surprised if any or all of that had already happened.

That is a practical matter, though, Artemis. Anything that can be imagined, no matter how wrong in rl, will be. And if someone has the tools to virtually recreate it, they will. It is up to LL to decide what they will allow them to do with their tools on their servers.

Everyone has the right to be offended, I won't tell anyone they have to agree with and accept anything they fell strongly against. (even if I think it is silly.) But when you put out your feelings about what other SLer's are doing, you are going to get a response from those doing it. Well, ok, maybe not the kitten strangling, necrophilic pedophile nazis. They do tend to stay in the closet.

Grim babies no?

Not only that, if you declare certain fantasies of your own "off-limits" this can be quite unhealthy. Like, lets say you discover that you are into the rape fantasy. Yes, you. What do you do? Deny it? Every time you think of it say, "no no no no. " and beat yourself up for being such a slimeball? Do you think that will make it go away? No, it'll just make you more and more upset every time it comes up, and it will come up at increasingly more inappropriate times. And worse of all, it will catch you off guard.. Whereas in a healthy case you can say, "oh, that's just my fantasy again, tee hee" you might find yourself OBSESSED by it or worse, unable to sort out fantasy from reality.
Whether you are obsessed by trying to fantasize about it as much as possible, or you are obsessed by trying to stop yourself from allowing the fantasy (or allowing OTHERS to have it, free from your ridicule), you are still obsessed, either way.

To the OP, I guess i'm saying, what exactly do you expect people with a rape fantasy to do about it? And, why do you think they owe you an explanation?

Sexualization of the mutilated corpses of Jewish Vampire Gorean Furry Children in a WWII-era concentration camp by incestuous cannibal pregophiles.

I take it back, I did laugh and tease and argue with those upset by Grim Babies. But they have a right to feel that way. I also have a right to laugh, especially when they call those of us who thought they were funny "sickos".

Nah I was thinking that there's enough ageplayers, and i've seen enough of them that are ageplayers AND into bondage (as a child), that eventually one of them would have to include sexual mutilation in their roleplay.

only becasue of one word: jewish. take that out and the rest of its just fine. Mostly cause, y'know, vampires and furries aren't real. So hard to get upset about sex between hybrid non-existent things. I mean if I wanted to rp a bdsm sofabed with a kitchen aid / toaster hybrid sub -- all that would happen is that people would think I was weird. Even if i was a kitchen aid/toaster hybrid 12-year-old sub -- still its um... well not real. So vampires and furries are kind of like kitchen aid / toasters and bdsm sofabeds. They aren't real. Who cares if they have sex? Make them jewish though and then you've got a problem.

Cannibalism, brain eating, and having a human on a rotisserie-style campfire? Fingernail and toenail removal? Eyeball gouging with a red-hot poker? Teeth-pulling with no pain killers? Organ removal?