Why do you find rape entertaining?
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Karsten Rutledge
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07-18-2006 13:21
So, I have the unfortunate habit of surfing random profiles when I get bored, and while doing so yesterday I happened across someone who was part of a group that has this as their charter: From: someone (Group Name) is dedicated to obsuce sexual practices. Our main theme is interracial sex between humans and non-humans ( furries, beast, animal demons etc ). We practice Group sex, gangbangs, rape, forced pregnancy, pregnant sex, D/s relationships, bondage, beastiality etc.
Now, before the apologists get started, I know all of the above is just consensual 'roleplay' between adults, yadda, yadda. Save your breath. Personally, I have very strong feelings about rape and find anything rape-related to be anything but entertaining, but that's just my view I suppose. But back to the question at hand: Rape, forced pregnancy? Where does that get fun? Or to put it more succintly: dubbleyew tee eff?? I suppose it's fairly easy to see how it draws one half of that crowd, there's always someone who needs some power jollies, but what about the 'victims'? Who gets off on being a rape victim and why? I can almost understand the 'appeal' of the slave mentality of the Goreans or just about whatever else, but rape? Yeah, you lost me on that one.
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Sean Pinkney
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07-18-2006 13:28
Whoever said you had to find it entertaining? Some people consensually indulge in such fantasies. They really don't need to explain it to you, any more than you need to explain yours to them.
Now, as to who enjoys it? Many do, men and women alike. Read Nancy Friday's "My Secret Garden." Women fantasize about all manner of things. It's an eye-opener.
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Starax Statosky
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07-18-2006 13:29
This will end
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Karsten Rutledge
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07-18-2006 13:31
From: Sean Pinkney Whoever said you had to find it entertaining? Some people consensually indulge in such fantasies. They really don't need to explain it to you, any more than you need to explain yours to them.
Now, as to who enjoys it? Many do, men and women alike. Read Nancy Friday's "My Secret Garden." Women fantasize about all manner of things. It's an eye-opener. There's no need to be hostile, Pinky. I believe my question was 'Why do YOU find it entertaining.' I, personally, don't, as I think I made clear. I never said it was a requirement that I do for someone else to, thanks. I'm genuinely curious why people think being a rape victim is something to harken after. Everyone I know who's ever actually been raped certainly didn't think it was so hot.
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Io Zeno
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07-18-2006 13:32
Human sexuality is an extremely conplex thing. As human beings are. Things that would literally make me want to puke is another person's turn on. Rape, because it is a real life crime, is always going to push buttons when used in "sex play". But when you think about it, it is less abusive than many things a sexual maschocist will subject themselves to. People have issues, and some of them are expressed in their sexual practices, real and virtual. As long as it's consentual, and nobody really gets hurt, that is their business. (Although when you take things to extremes, even in virtual reality, your head can get fucked up from it. I've seen this happen. Sometimes just because you can live out your weirdest, most taboo fantasies in a virtual space, doesn't mean you should). But, this really isn't an uncommon fantasy, yes even some women have "force fantasies", although the levels of intesity vary wildly. You can find them in common romance novels, even.
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Allana Dion
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07-18-2006 13:35
Well for me personally any "rape fantasy" would mostly involve a lot of wrestling and giggling and "yes you will", "no i won't, make me" kind of dialogue... silliness.
A more serious really roleplaying type would never be my thing, I dont understand it so I cant comment on why people enjoy it, but I figure each to their own. As long as everyone is happy and having fun all is good.
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Sean Pinkney
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07-18-2006 13:36
From: Karsten Rutledge There's no need to be hostile, Pinky. No need to intentionally mangle names, either, is there? From: someone I believe my question was 'Why do YOU find it entertaining.' I, personally, don't, as I think I made clear. I never said it was a requirement that I do for someone else to, thanks. I'm genuinely curious why people think being a rape victim is something to harken after. Everyone I know who's ever actually been raped certainly didn't think it was so hot. If that was your intention, you might have stated your question differently. The way you did, in my opinion, painted as freaks the very people you sought answers from. Not a nice way to open the conversation.
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Kris Ritter
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07-18-2006 13:36
how do you do the forced pregancy thing in SL?
enquiring minds want to know.
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Allana Dion
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07-18-2006 13:37
From: Io Zeno Human sexuality is an extremely conplex thing. As human beings are. Things that would literally make me want to puke is another person's turn on. Rape, because it is a real life crime, is always going to push buttons when used in "sex play". But when you think about it, it is less abusive than many things a sexual maschocist will subject themselves to. People have issues, and some of them are expressed in their sexual practices, real and virtual. As long as it's consentual, and nobody really gets hurt, that is their business. (Although when you take things to extremes, even in virtual reality, your head can get fucked up from it. I've seen this happen. Sometimes just because you can live out your weirdest, most taboo fantasies in a virtual space, doesn't mean you should). But, this really isn't an uncommon fantasy, yes even some women have "force fantasies", although the levels of intesity vary wildly. You can find them in common romance novels, even. What she said. 
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Siobhan Taylor
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07-18-2006 13:37
From: Kris Ritter how do you do the forced pregancy thing in SL? enquiring minds want to know. It involves a HUD, or so I'm told... oh, and a headless flexprim baby.
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Ketra Saarinen
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07-18-2006 13:39
It's about power, not sex. And some find it entertaining to have such power over another. Ever wonder why that guy is driving so slow in the passing lane on the highway? Same reason.
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Karsten Rutledge
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07-18-2006 13:40
From: Io Zeno Human sexuality is an extremely conplex thing. As human beings are. Things that would literally make me want to puke is another person's turn on. Rape, because it is a real life crime, is always going to push buttons when used in "sex play". But when you think about it, it is less abusive than many things a sexual maschocist will subject themselves to. People have issues, and some of them are expressed in their sexual practices, real and virtual. As long as it's consentual, and nobody really gets hurt, that is their business. (Although when you take things to extremes, even in virtual reality, your head can get fucked up from it. I've seen this happen. Sometimes just because you can live out your weirdest, most taboo fantasies in a virtual space, doesn't mean you should). But, this really isn't an uncommon fantasy, yes even some women have "force fantasies", although the levels of intesity vary wildly. You can find them in common romance novels, even. I see, so that's what I've been missing out on by not reading romance novels. I'll have to catch up. I agree though, as I stated originally. It's all consensual adults here, can't be anything otherwise, so as long as they don't start raping each other on my property I'm not getting in a huff about it. I'm just curious, as I have friends who have actually been raped and it's not a good time. Plumb the depths as I might, I can't fathom it being something to fantasize about.
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Siobhan Taylor
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07-18-2006 13:42
From: Ketra Saarinen Ever wonder why that guy is driving so slow in the passing lane on the highway? Same reason. I ride a motorbike, I don't notice those morons for long... 
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Karsten Rutledge
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07-18-2006 13:42
From: Ketra Saarinen It's about power, not sex. And some find it entertaining to have such power over another. Ever wonder why that guy is driving so slow in the passing lane on the highway? Same reason. Right, I noticed that in the opening post, incidentally. My question was actually geared towards people who find it entertaining to have that power exerted over them. As for slow people in the passing lane, I can't say I ever pondered it. What's behind you ain't important. 
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Aodhan McDunnough
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07-18-2006 13:45
From what I gather on the 'net? Name something at random and there's probably someone out there who has sexual fantasies connected to it. In most cases the person involved can't explain why. I don't find rape entertaining but I do understand that some do, and that applies to both sides of the rape.
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Siobhan Taylor
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07-18-2006 13:46
From: Karsten Rutledge Right, I noticed that in the opening post, incidentally. My question was actually geared towards people who find it entertaining to have that power exerted over them. Well, that's a hard one, and gets into BDSM, which I play round with in SL... (from both perspectives) but less so than some... there's always a way out. In fact most of the time in my experience, the submissive is the one who's really in control of the situation... and even moreso in SL... ctrl-Q is the ultimate safe-word. But, though, as has been stated, some women have rape fantasies... the idea of it completely confounds me... if it's consentual, it's not rape... if it's rape, it's not consentual... (legal definitions of underage intercourse aside) Everyone to their own I guess, but I don't get it.
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07-18-2006 13:47
Some people are just effed up.
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Karsten Rutledge
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07-18-2006 13:48
From: Aodhan McDunnough From what I gather on the 'net? Name something at random and there's probably someone out there who has sexual fantasies connected to it. In most cases the person involved can't explain why. I don't find rape entertaining but I do understand that some do, and that applies to both sides of the rape. Goslings. Anybody?
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Jaycatt Nico
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07-18-2006 13:48
From: Karsten Rutledge I'm just curious, as I have friends who have actually been raped and it's not a good time. Plumb the depths as I might, I can't fathom it being something to fantasize about. There's a difference between fantasy and reality too. Some of my most erotic fantasies I enjoy having would never work in RL, or if I tried, wouldn't work out the way they do in my head. Just saying it's possible to have an amazing fantasy, that if you tried in reality would have tons of complications. In those cases it's best to just stick to the fantasy, or find a place you can completely control it in a virtual reality (like SL, I guess). And no, I'm not going to elaborate on what my fantasies are lol
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Karsten Rutledge
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07-18-2006 13:50
From: Jaycatt Nico There's a difference between fantasy and reality too. Some of my most erotic fantasies I enjoy having would never work in RL, or if I tried, wouldn't work out the way they do in my head. Just saying it's possible to have an amazing fantasy, that if you tried in reality would have tons of complications. In those cases it's best to just stick to the fantasy, or find a place you can completely control it in a virtual reality (like SL, I guess). And no, I'm not going to elaborate on what my fantasies are lol Tease. 
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Karsten Rutledge
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07-18-2006 13:51
From: Siobhan Taylor Well, that's a hard one, and gets into BDSM, which I play round with in SL... (from both perspectives) but less so than some... there's always a way out. In fact most of the time in my experience, the submissive is the one who's really in control of the situation... and even moreso in SL... ctrl-Q is the ultimate safe-word.
But, though, as has been stated, some women have rape fantasies... the idea of it completely confounds me... if it's consentual, it's not rape... if it's rape, it's not consentual... (legal definitions of underage intercourse aside) Everyone to their own I guess, but I don't get it. Aye. I wondered about that myself, it's not really fulfilling a rape fantasy if it's roleplay, and I somehow don't think they'd actually enjoy their rape fantasies being really fulfilled. Hum.
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Jaycatt Nico
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07-18-2006 13:53
From: Aodhan McDunnough From what I gather on the 'net? Name something at random and there's probably someone out there who has sexual fantasies connected to it. In most cases the person involved can't explain why. That's very true too. I once met a person online who mentioned that he enjoyed the squeeking sound you get when you rub an inflated balloon. He couldn't explain it, but that's what did it for him... Once I heard that something like that can be a person's fetish, I figured pretty much anything goes and probably does. Never in my life would I ever have connected sex to that kind of thing. There's probably someone out there who gets some kind of pleasure from opening envelopes, or something simple like that... It takes all kinds, it really does 
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Io Zeno
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07-18-2006 13:56
From: Karsten Rutledge I see, so that's what I've been missing out on by not reading romance novels. I'll have to catch up. I agree though, as I stated originally. It's all consensual adults here, can't be anything otherwise, so as long as they don't start raping each other on my property I'm not getting in a huff about it. I'm just curious, as I have friends who have actually been raped and it's not a good time. Plumb the depths as I might, I can't fathom it being something to fantasize about. Most romance novels are soft core porn for the gals. I researched them once when I fancied myself a writer and wanted to see if I could make money writing them. (no offence to romance fans, heh) I guess your question could also be posed to any female submissive, why would you find submitting your will, your body, to another pleasurable? (no I'm not directly comparing consentual submission to rape, in case that is what anyone is thinking!) Although the rape fantasy can be very specific to the woman who is drawn to it. I've even read from one woman who was raped, for real, and then started to have fantasies about it, sexually. Now, the real experience was horrible and traumatic, obviously, and she said clearly that she would never, ever, want that to happen to her again. Perhaps the fantasy was a way for her to deal with what happened to her, to empower herself over it by controlling it, and actually getting pleasure from it, unlike the real experience, which was the exact opposite. Most rape victims would never feel that way of course, and be horrified by reliving it in that way. But that doesn't discount her way of coping, as an individual. As I said, human beings are complicated and mysterious creatures.
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Starax Statosky
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07-18-2006 13:59
From: Jaycatt Nico There's probably someone out there who gets some kind of pleasure from opening envelopes, or something simple like that... It takes all kinds, it really does  Sounds like my landlady 
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Sensual Casanova
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07-18-2006 13:59
From: Karsten Rutledge There's no need to be hostile, Pinky. I believe my question was 'Why do YOU find it entertaining.' I, personally, don't, as I think I made clear. I never said it was a requirement that I do for someone else to, thanks. I'm genuinely curious why people think being a rape victim is something to harken after. Everyone I know who's ever actually been raped certainly didn't think it was so hot. My question is.. what happens if a "roleplaying" "rape victim" RELLY get raped? Are they turned on? Do they enjoy it? hmmm...
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