200m BanLines!

Very true but security scripts do. I levae my security on at all times.

As for the post earlier about if you need to ban somebody you must be a jerk or pissed somebody off...hmm I guess all the club owners in sl must have pissed somebodyoff because for the most part they arent jerks!!!

The poster that asked if I had a almanac of the areas that there are securityscripts, no I dont. That wasnt what I totally meant sorry. Idont totally agree that you shouldnt be able to to fly freely around sl, just some ppl dont like it when you just fly up on their skybox unannounced. In that case you should be given warning but as for other instances when ppl just fly up to be nosey well them they get what they deserve!

What - so this fucking stupid half-arsed proposal is your fault?

There is also the problem with the fact that an innocent avatar, such as myself, who isn't personally banned from anywhere, can fly around and run right into these things because it is impossible to see the lines until you are right on top of them. It was only because I read this thread that I was flying very slowly and cautiously. I can imagine someone who doesn't know getting their virtual heads bashed in and ejected left and right just trying to fly around today, as they normally do.

No, security scripts cannot prevent banned people from lobbing crap and bombs onto your land any more than land access ban does. In fact, when I inquired on the Scripters forum about a way to automatically return objects belonging to people on a banned list, I was told the LSL provides no way to return/delete other people's objects.

Another prime example of the bar being lowered before we had sufficient tools in hand to defend ourselves.

No, they dont.

We've never *EVER* argued about 'restricted access' things, i don care about it, never found it useful, only annoying

what we HAVE argued for is *NAMED BAN* people personally entered by someone into the ban list, to have *SOME* in game effect, and currently in most major social areas of SL, it does not

The 40m ban height is a relic of SL 1.0 and 1.1 where prims were 'height' taxed $1L per 10m per each prim on a plot per week.

and therefore almost *ALL* builds were ground builds therefore 40m was an appropriate height.

That went out the window december 22nd 2003 however, when that height tax was removed.

I don't want 'restricted access' blocking your flying any more than *YOU* do, but what i do want is the ability to block someone from directly and deliberately attacking our area, over and over, with literally no effective way to control them other than calling a liason, something which happens these days, about once every 3-4 hours, if not more'

no one says the two *MUST* be mutually incompatable, and if they are now, its merely an oversight and should be dealt with accordingly, aka by bringing it to LL's attention as a valid concern, and not acting like a blindly insulting and bitter choad

Not quite... I don't consider this an acceptable first step.

You say, "Oh, well, it's just the first step, they will fix the DUMBASS part of it eventually(You know, like Havok 2)".

I say, "Don't change it until you work out the DUMBASS from the start"

Then why do we have unsecured account creation?

thats where the core of the problem is right now. But since they're not willing to undo that, and at this point im not even sure if they *could*, they need to get the tools out there *ASAP* to let those of us with large mainland communities protect ourselves.

You act like we've never been 'inconvenienced' before by random changes, hello mesh rendering loosing its specuar pass in 1.10.1, hello new LOD engine in 1.10.2

what we *DO* do is help LL see the problem, find a solution to the problem, and move on.

The grief problem *NEEDED* to be dealt with, last week, or 6/6/06 even. This is the best that could be done right now but it could not continue to be backtracked, more and more...

sometimes you can afford to wait on a few pitches before you can hit a home run, and other times you just really need a base hit to stay in the game.

What is it with LL all the sudden? I don't honestly understand why they keep making rushed, completely counterproductive decisions. 200m ban great...oh wait. The cure is worse that the disease.

Sorry, I missed the "yes" or "no". You talked to Lindens and they did this for you? Or not?

but if you use the script right they cant get close enought ot litter your land. Case in point I use more than one orb that is networked to the other one to cove my entire property, which as tested means at full tilt and max settings it scans more than 200 meters so unless your gonna sit on the other side of the sim and harras me then your not gonna be effective in this!

Why couldn't they go back to the system of requiring billing info? They could easily make that change, instead they are just giving us doublespeak blog entries and messages of encouragement. Fuck that, roll it back until the tools are in place, period.

Speak for yourself. For people with decently sized plots, this keeps assholes out. Plain and simple. Before, the ban was nothing but a symbolic gesture. Now it actually keeps people out.

If it doesn't, why is everyone complaining? Answer? It does, and it is effective.

Ordinal, give me ONE. ONE valid reason why you should be able to enter or fly over a plot you are *EXPLICITLY AND INDIVIDUALLY* banned from.

Come on Michi, that is not why people are complaining and you know it - it is because of the fact that it not only applies to banning individuals, but to restricted access plots as well. I'm glad all is now well in good old Lusk, but this change has also caused a major problem for the mainland sims that have a checkboard of restricted plots in them.

Mainland parcels needed more effective tools (and not just "gestures" well before the new account creation issues began.

Agreed, yet that does not address at all what we are talking about. Linden Lab did a half-assed implementation - it was rushed into this patch without thinking through the implications. It should be 200m for specifically banned avatars, but much lower for simple access restriction, otherwise the mainland becomes impossible to navigate.

This. Effects. People. Who. Aren't. Individually. Banned.

This is what "Restricted Access" means. It applies to everyone who isn't EXPLICITLY given access.

The two are not mutually exclusive - what I am saying is there is no reason they cannot roll back this fiasco of a registration system, they are just choosing not to, their customer base be damned.

The size of my land makes a warning completely innefective. To give a warning in my case is basically to give them access - thus no warning in my case is justified. Not the 'suggestion' of a warning. No requirement, unlike them directly saying pushing without permission is greifing.

Irrelevant question. I'm not banned from any plots that I know of.

Now, everyone is banned from everything left by some random joe on the mainland, or some group who think they can build a big mall but want to exclude everyone else til it's done but lose interest or....

More to the point, LL are listening to some small group of people without apparently even bothering to talk about it with anyone else.

I am completely disgusted. Not with you, you put your case across and made suggestions that you think are good ideas - fair enough - but with the concept that such a serious change can happen just out of the blue because of that, taking nobody else's opinions into consideration.

I'm not generally given to forum dramatics I like to think but I am really fucking pissed off by this situation.

The Lindens. The fact I can freeze and eject you AT ANY HEIGHT OVER MY LAND. This isn't real life, and even in real life, you can't fly a plane within a certian hieght of a persons home.

People have to keep paying for that land. I can't see anyone "forgetting about" an entire mall, paying tier the whole while.

Nonetheless, I suspect that soon the two will be decoupled.

I consider anyone flying past my skybox to be greifing, even if by mistake. Your point? WTF is wrong with YOU?

yes, and thats a *problem* and no one is arguing that here, seriously... in fact basically lets see if this follows up with anything here:

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Basically 'ban' as a general SL system, *NEEDS* to be broken into 'named ban' and 'access restriction', and on that, we shouldn't be yelling back an forth at eachother, because *WE ALL AGREE*

to sum up:

1) Raising named ban was something that was desperately needed and is overal a step in the right direction

2) Access restriction on plots needs to apply *differently* than named ban on plots, the two scenarios are very different from eachother, and handling them within what is evidently the same code block, has caused problems for alot of people, which sucks


if *ANYONE* has any argument with those two statements, please let me know, because basically thats what LL needs to see.