200m BanLines!

I'm not putting my vote on anything yet.

I'm not one who looks for quick fixes because they often don't work as expected. I look for effective fixes that create minimal to no disruption of other normal operations. Once I've settled on what kind of fix I want to see, THEN I'll put in my votes or suggestion.

But I WILL point it out when I feel a solution is half-baked, ineffective, or disruptive. For example, ban lines are effective for some purposes but they will not address our real problem with griefing. I have outlined in another post exactly what needs to be done on that front.

So until I do settle on something the most I'm willing to do is so some test proposing, comment and give observations. No votes. Maybe someone will hit upon that golden solution I'm looking for and that I will support.

Unfortunatly, they seem to have taken the wrong step first.

I reccomend sending in abuse reports. If you're just flying through and get griefed by a security script that offered little to no warning, AR it.

However, dont AR it if: you were snooping around and not just flying past or if you knew it was there and should have known to fly around. Also, I wouldn't AR it if someone was actually home and/or there was active griefing going on.

In my experience, LL won't do anything about it, but maybe that will change if they get enough complaints.

I suppose that entirely depends on how many times a day you have to call in a liason to help remove someone who just laughs, and continues to pushgun yer patrons, as you try an inefectually ban them

Sort of like, opening up unlimited alts before implementing new player verification tools, right?

Seems to be a trend lately...

I also do not get this...people who are looking at buying property are usually interested in the view that they will have. Being locked out doesn't allow this.

Makes no sense, UNLESS they are gaming the search function. Maybe they don't intend to sell, they just want the free extra listing in search.

THANK YOU LINDENS, THIS IS A LONG NEEDED IMPROVEMENT.

well the ban lines on the "art studio" next to my land now extend to 258m up, not 200

Flying fifty meters over the highest structure on a property is not poking your nose around some neighbor's plot. And someone who set up access controls when they were playing around with their land settings two months ago and who doesn't even remember how they're set isn't someone who wants to be left alone.

You want precious?

Construing 'flying becomes impossible when you can't go a hundred meters without running into a forgotten access controlled parcel' as 'poking your nose around some neighbors plot who wants to be left alone'.

That's precious, that is.

As for unverified accounts, I'm in agreement with you. There shouldn't be any "free" accounts or "unverified" accounts. But that's a completely different issue, and unrelated to this example of Linden griefing.

(well, the grid is up now, did the Lindens actually pull it off, or did they screw up again?)

Many an important Linden (yes, there are unimportant ones) has stated that warnings are nor nessessary when booting someone from your land.

They did say that warnings are a good idea just due to simple courtesy.

Is it?

I sure hope so. Y'all know that by now.

Because that is not what the release notes said, they just say bans go up to 200 meters, they don't say that's only restricted to specific bans.

I wonder if the distance that "200" (or the previous number) is calculated from is not always zero.

My build sits on a mountain, and ground level is around 40-60m. I noticed before that my old ban lines extended to about 80 meters - which for my build, was barely above the main floor roof.

Possibly the floor of the ban-line value is computed from the lowest buildable area, not zero elevation?

Yeah that would be my question. There you are flying along and you hit an access line that spans the length and width of the sim (not that unusual).

Yes, I know that, what does that have to do with my question?

See here lies the problem with giving warnings, if the person is a greirfer well that gives them prob just enough time to drop a few push scripts on everybody before the get tossed. Iwork at a club as the security perso and from time to time you hqave to just toss somebody with no warning because they just plain dont care!!

IMO if your gonna bitch because you got tossed without warning then you should have responded or been payin attention to your wear abouts!! But I guess the residents of SL have no right to keep griefers off their property if they dont wanna give them a warning!!!!

Except that as anyone who's lived on the mainland knows, people just randomly put up security orbs and full banlines whenever they feel like it, then never turn up or get bored of SL or whatever. Loads and loads of them.

Some of us like flying around near ground level looking at the buildings and admiring the workmanship of others. I guess we can't do that now that the Lindens have listened to the Vocal Minority

Yup, the access-only lines on the plot next to ours go up to 226m. So it's not just explicit bans.

I suggest that (just like those who owned telehub land did) all vehicle owners and manufacturers should now get compensation from LL for making them useless...

And what happens now if someone (luckily I don't see this as a problem specifically for me for the foreseeable future) has a plot of land that's surrounded by people who just put the no access function on? They're forced to either TP everywhere or find another parcel (where in the future they might run into the same issue).

NO ITS NOT!!!!!

I still like boating and flying my blimp. I realize a lot of people think SL should be just commerce and nothing more but too bad... I like flying and boating.

That's great! I'd be perfectly happy with plotting a flightpath that avoids any parcels with security scripts enabled (that type of preflight planning would add even more realism to my flights) IF I KNEW WHERE THEY WERE BEFORE I ACTIVATED THEM! I don't have an almanac that contains info about every square meter of land in SL...do you? If I'm flying somewhere I've never been before, how am I supposed to know that when I hit (128,64,150) I'm going to be immediately bounced without warning?!

ban is specific ban, 'restricted access' is locking a plot to people only... if 200m ban spills over INTO restricted access parcels, that is probably unintended, and should be dealt with as a bug, it is not the purpose of this, its not why its here.

And if you want to say that 200m restricted access block walls are a problem i will be right there with you to say that restricted access SHOULD BE SEPERATE FROM BAN, they are two VERY different situations and the types of controls and the weighting of the land owners rights and intents vs non owners rights and intents, is VERY different in those two situations.

It may very well just be a case of this was *REALLY REALLY* needed by landowners REALLY QUICKLY because things have gone way out of control, in the last 10 days, and they will go back and clean up the mess of the flight issues with restricted parcels with the next update, etc...

i welcome all that type of debate and argument, but it does belong in a seperate thread.

simply for the reason that 200m *BAN* someone being on the *BAN LIST* will not, under any circumstances, result in an 'unflyable' second life grid... 200m 'restricted access' however may very well do so... but it is a seperate issue... if at the moment its tied to the same piece of code, well then the argument shold be that the two of them should NOT be tied to the same code, *NOT* that ban-height should go back

Has everyone gone insane????? how the heck are we supposed to move around sl anymore,,, may as well deleate all the helicopters,aeroplanes, any flying vehicle,, all of which the old ban line height made difficult,,,, will now be near impossable to use ... forget flying from place to place without assistance ....avatars canot go much higher than 200 as mentiond at start of this thread ........if you ask me if you need ban lines your probably a jerk and have pissed people off , ive never needed ban lines ,, never , all this has done is destroy some of the last few fun things to do in sl. Ya , i hear it alltready, "but Dook, the lines only reach 200 meters fly over ",,, k lets see , say your flying at 300 m or 400 or more ,,,, theres a hill up ahead ,u canot see it as draw is set to usual 200 or so the land comes up below you and suddenly your bouncing off a red fence line ,,,and your at 400 m ,, but the land came up ... now unless They plan to flatten sl there will be too many cases of this to make using aircraft any fun at all .. werent the security balls enough ,, i guess ll is determand to make sl unfun for anyone but perverts and griefers... this band-aid is just silly , just put cc restrrictions on accounts again and quit being silly.

Many of these property owners are not even aware they have the ban lines on, because the property owner can't see them. They are visible only to those who cannot access the property.

Many people turn them on once and forget they are on.

how about you are able to fly over banned land as long as you are seated on a vehicle, but not loiter for more than a minute before you're ejected with no chance of any kind of re entry for say, an hour. with warnings of course and a popup that allows you to teleport away from the land. and an ability to turn the ban line graphic off.