This Has Got To Stop Linden Labs!!

Unless, of course, John is the shepherd and it's his flock and therefore HIS PROBLEM, not the villagers whose flock it isn't.

Seriously though, swooper or no, if you were looking to buy some land, you're an honest kinda guy but you want a good deal, would you seriously look at the land search and say "Hmmmmm, land for L$!, nope that's not for me!" and move on!? You'd be mad to ignore such cheap land.

So mister W.H. regardless of your reasoning and everything else, it's kinda obvious the topicstarter made a mistake and never intended to sell the land like this.

Knowing what you know now, isn't it time you sold her the land back? Wheter you were wrong or right isn't the issue anymore, what you will do to undo it and help TS is the issue.

So far ive seen some comments from you including the one where u said u didn't want to discuss it here, fine off course but whatever you will say will be pointless if you don't make any effort to find a solution for this problem.

As of today...August 24, 2006

1. W.H. has not made things right and has actually posted about how he sold land....

2. I still have not heard back from Daniel Linden...I tried to contact a few Lindens that were online and I started with Bub Linden, and he never responded at all, then i went to Guy Linden and he told me I would have to take the situation up with the buyer...(W.H.), I advised him that ummm, W.H. ejected me from my land after swooping it. He said there is nothing we can do....so I asked for his supervisor....I then spoke with Fritz Linden and *sigh* told the whole story again I advised them that i was not stopping until I got resolution from the unethical act of these swoopers, he told me that there was nothing to resolve....at that point, I advised that I will be contact the president of SL and filing a report with the Better Business Bureau.

Customer Service for Linden Labs, leaves a VERY bad taste in my mouth, Their customer service wont casue their company damage tomorrow, but over time...it will


Olive

As of today: People should pay attention. Nothing needs to be done to make it right.

Olive, I've asked you too keep this off the forums. Posting about personal transactions is against the forum rules. I bought the land at your stated price. If you simply did not want the land sold at that price then you shouldn't have listed at it. I'm sorry you feel jipped out of lindens and land, but I bought the land at the price you set.

Land swooping can be seen as a sort of greifing, not to mention, this particular swooper mocking the victim on the forum and so on. LL does not want to lose customers, and they'd probably be worried about people leaving the game cause of one person.

Thus, AR him and have as many victims AR him as possible. Something might be done, then again this is LL.

Land Swooping is not an official Linden term and appears no where in the knowledge bank, community standards, or terms of service. Linden, who enforces the Terms of Service has never ruled that buying land can be considered "griefing."

Land swooping is not technically griefing; it does however fall under the "exploitative antisocial arsehole behaviour" category.

It may also fall under fraud. Which is AR-able.

Well Wresting ....I have every right to freedom of speech... and I have every right to post any transaction I want to share...and I will keep my word by updating the forum!

Yanno I have my land back up for sale and can you believe no one has bought it....Prolly because it is listed at the proper price...not what the system seemed fit to list it.

And...Also...Land Swooper may not be in the word bank, but you ask anyone what that is and they will know! They may even give you the names of famous LAND SWOOPERS ...hehe

Oh and Wresting, I don't feel jipped by the Linden's at all...I feel Violated by a Swooper with the initials of W. H....You bought the land at which the system set, I never set the price at 3.00 a meter...So taking advantage of the bug WAS the specialty of a land swooper..

And WOW, I am amazed at how the rules are so known...hummm could it be because this has happened before??

Olive....

On Saturday August 26, 2006...I submitted to Philip Linden all my information...It shows he accepted the information i sent to him...As of Today August 30, 2006 I have heard nothing from him either, Customer Service at Linden Labs leaves alot to be deisired! Either these people were hired for their skills and have no customer service ability at all or they dont care, because the Second Life game is so successful, at least for today! But as you and I know, you cannot rest on your laurels when you are a successful company, you must strive to make your customers happy, after all they are paying your salary!

I did file a BBB Complaint, however, what I found is they dont seem to be registered with the BBB under Linden Labs OR Second Life. I did file the complaint anyway! The case number is 57082643.

Thank you again for all the support I have gotten from this post!!

More to come as this unfolds! May be time to start looking for a new game, that values their customers!

1, It's not a bug. 2, it's against the rules for anyone to post anything about other residents. 3, it's not LLs job to help you fix what you screwed up.
I'm tired of all these mfin "swooper" threads on this mfin forum!

Too Bad...

so sad...

Unlike a certain resident with the initials O.S. I read the term of services, community standards, and articles in the knowledge base prior to conducting business within Second Life. You cannot blame me for being an informed member of the community when clearly this individual (initials O.S.) has no clue what she/he/it are doing!

As you have read the TOS and CS and other LL provided material, you also know that the price of land not resetting on resizing is marked (and fixed) as a bug by LL. (Release notes: 1.12: Parcel joins and subdivides uncheck the For Sale box)
So, although the circumstances are not as clear cut as in other cases. You were basiclly exploiting a bug in SL to gain profit.
This has been a permabannable offense in previous situations.

I would be very careful claiming your rights in these specific cases.

ADDED: It seems, although it has been mentioned as a bug in the past by LL, the change has been marked as 'change', not as bugfix. This means that it can't be seen as a bug exploit. Another great way of LL covering their asses to prevent a lot of claims...

All i have to say about this is just because something isn't against the TOS doesn't make right to do. Those who do bad deeds find themselves in deep shit later on.

Metaphor time! There's a bad egg in every nest. It's up to the mother remove it. If she fails to, it stinks up the nest and bothers the other chicks. Eventually those chicks will do whatever they can to remove the egg.

In this case a bad deed has been noticed and spread rapidly. Enough people have cought on and warned others, while also issuing bans. Eventually the doer of the bad deed will find themselves not enjoying their second life as much as they used to.

End of Story.

*sigh*

It's not the buyer's responsibility to try mind reading the seller. Whether by error, ignorance or desire to dump land quick the buyer's responsibility is to pay whatever the price is.

If the buyer extends a middle finger when the seller, seconds later comes crying: "Wait! That was an error! Please reverse the transaction!"... well, then yeah the buyer is a heartless anti-social profiteering bastard, and the seller has every right to complain about that.

Hopefully the recent changes will help reduce the frequence that this happens. It WILL still happen because people will make mistakes, EVEN if we had a full escrow process where buyer makes an offer and the seller has to accept it before the transaction completes.

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NO system is foolproof.

I can't see how anyone can accidentally teleport to land thats on sale for 1 linden and buy it while the owner is standing right there with someone else. You see i have this little thing in my head called common sence. Yea some people lack that...

I know it is kinda the previus owners fault it happened since they carelessly set it for sale to ALL, when its clearly possible to sell it to just 1 specfic person. It's those who camp the search window waiting to prey on these people, that are trulely lowlife jerks that shouldn't even have the internet...

Being relatively new, and having sold land uneventfully, I cannot identify with the OP. However, the fact that WH would not entertain a return for equal compensation is indicative of his ethics, and his occupation as an agressive land procurer ("landswooper" in the vernacular) hazards his reputation as a result.

I know quite a few property brokers in RL and those that have a good reputation, are those that work well with buyers and sellers alike. Those that have bad reputations recite the mantra "I did nothing illegal!" Add to that the standard mantra "it's a dog eat dog world", ad infinitum. People with poor morals and/or badbusiness ethics are consistent in their protestations of innocence.

In the same respect, if you are performing a complex activity with land, knowing the interface to be questionable, why wouldn't you take the extra care required to protect your investment? The circumstances are in fact unfortunate, and I for one hope that I am never put in the same situation, but if I am, and the 'swooper is the same or someone equally intransigent, I will simply have to sigh and say "serves me right for not being more careful with something so valuable to me!"

But then I never was one to dive immediately to victimhood, and always expect there to be a strong strain of mercenary in all human behavior - and SL is certainly no utopia.

I totally want to make out with you. My, what big words you have.

Look me up in world and let's see what heat's up! *GRIN*