This Has Got To Stop Linden Labs!!

Paying attention is a needed skill irl, and people pay attention when purchasing or selling other objects. Why should land be any different.

As harsh as it sounds, its the sellers fault.

Maybe some of SL's gambling addicts will want to give this a try

I was so focused on the warning that I forgot to give the OP my condolences. I am sorry to hear that this happened to you and affected you so badly.

Tell you what, IM me in game (if work ever allows me to get back in game) and set it up for a specific time (and other parameters that will ensure that I know it's not "for real", and I might be willing to demonstrate how fast it can happen. If we set it up beforehand, I would give the land back. That is if I get it. I can't promise that at all, at all.

Still, like with any other gambling, I don't recommend even trying (or trusting me for that matter, you don't know me) unless the loss would be very comfortably absorbed.

Well Vares, before you just assume maybe you should ask, it was not a mistake on my officer, there was never a box that came up, apparently this is a glitch and they advised of this today!

Ideally, yes. In the same theoretical, ideal and perfect world there's no need for safety belts in cars either, since everyone just need to pay attention when they drive...

It should't be treated any different. The problem is the interface is confusing. Land owners can't even experiment with the interface without the potential of making an inadvertent sale, and a single mistake on selling land can result in the loss of months of work and serious USD.

I'm assuming you have bought land and its probably pretty easy for you now, so maybe this will help illustrate the problem. Suppose that LL added a new "feature" that transfered your entire inventory to a purchaser of any object you sold. You would have the option of course to turn this off by clicking a box somewhere, but for whatever reason, you didn't do that on your first attempt to sell something. While this is an absurd extreme, this is what is effectively happening to inexperienced land sellers.

There is a secondary effect as well. Given the amount of complaints and the need for LL now to get involved and second guess land sales, its much easier for a dishonest seller to claim they didnt know what they were doing, and back out of a valid transaction.

I'm really not sure why you oppose changing the land sale system to make sure mistakes are not made, provided it doesnt lose its functionality.

When there's glitch, you'd better compare it to a people driving a car without knowing it can explode anytime. Hmmmz, thinks a bug needs to be fixed and some issues need to be resolved.

I do believe I've seen this mentioned elsewhere in the Forums. I *do* hope they keep that information in at least read-only status until they fix that.

IMO, joining or dividing land should set all related parcels to No Sale.

I can't remember, is that in the Wed update?

If you have the price of the land all set and ready to change to the new price the risk would be very small. You get it all changed right up to the final “are you sure?” screen. Then you zoom your POV out so you can see the entire lot. When a person tp's in there is always a delay from when you can see them arrive to when they can do anything. So the moment you see someone materialize, you click ok. You have plenty of time, normally it takes a few seconds for them to rez completely.

Besides, the risk is part of the fun!

I honestly doubt it would work anyway. I am sure the swooper will look at the price to make sure it's still 1 linden before they buy it.

Still, it would be really fun if it worked. Hehehe, you could taunt the guy for weeks about it. Poetic justice at it's finest.

I don't believe that. The "officer" that made the mistake is most likely lying or was just not paying attention to what the box said.

Not quite what happens is if you combine land it defaults to the lowest plot price per sqm and sets the entire thing for that. This is a LINDEN screwup the land swoopers know it and take full advantage of it. Hulka is famous for this along with a few others he comes in says thanks even though your trying to explain it and reprices and tps out. The land should auto come off sale when you combine not default to the lowest plots Linden price which will drop your land to as low as 1L sqm if you combine enough.

No, it still falls on paying attention. Set both plots of land to a good price before you combine them. It's still operator error.

Before this thread gets locked/deleted for personal attacks which is against forum rules and guidelines... I would like to point out that the land in question was sold on the market @ 3.0, which is what I consider a fair selling price.

The way the market it today, 6/m is a fair price. 3/m is a steal.

Yup, it appears rl real estate has gone to sl real estate using the same methods as in real life ie. making profit from bugs/glitches/mistakes.

Vares, you are adding all this information that you have no idea. I was standing watching this happening...this is something that LL needs to correct, God only knows how many peeps have been ripped off by this guy!

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Posts: 45 Before this thread gets locked/deleted for personal attacks which is against forum rules and guidelines... I would like to point out that the land in question was sold on the market @ 3.0, which is what I consider a fair selling price.

FOR a man with such ethics you should know i wouldnt sell 2 waterfront properties for 3.00 meter and one for 6.00....this was plain wrong and you know it.

This is one of the MOST unethical things i have ever seen in my whole time on SL, this is the reason land barrons get a bad name

I just have to wonder how long the Lindens are going to allow this type of stuff from happening....It is so easy because of a glitch in the system when buying/selling property. It just doesn't seem right that while we pay our dues and land tiers, others are getting away with what amounts to thievery. The same poeple that originally stole from me are still in business...why? Linden knows they do this, why are they so complacient about it? SL doesn't allow griefers, or abuse.....well then what is this? Everyone has to know that this is illegal and is punished with whatever the Lindens throw at them...even to explusion of the game...or taking over their groups.....It's time that the victims are protected too!

3.0 is very much under market, you know that better than I do. The only way anyone could sell land that cheap is it was sold for even cheaper.

I was not involved in the transaction, but if the person from whom you purchased it intended to sell it to you for under 3.0, then congradulations on a great deal, and more power to you for being able to find legitimate sellers like that.

But if you got the land because someone was not familiar with land controls, its the same in my book as watching someone's wallet fall out of their pocket and keeping it with the justification that they should have been more careful.

Edit to add:
I may have misunderstood. If you purchased the land at 3.0, its a tougher call. I know of some who have sold land dirt cheap to sell it fast so as to reduce an upcoming tier level, and if you don't move fast when you see a good price for land, it will be lost in a matter of seconds.

But the bottom line is nobody should lose land due to a clunky interface.

3/m *is* a steal, but not in and of itself stealing, which is altogether different and I won't speculate on that here.

$3/m is a little low, but not at all uncommon for a selling price. I'd even go so far as to say that $6/m is not fair, it's high. Too high to be of any interest to someone just looking for any old plot, though perhaps not too high for someone who wants a specific plot.

Isn't there some kind of ethics involved here? When you notice someone makes a mistake ie. selling land for a far too low prica, contact him/her, before buying? Instead of going for the kill?

It's obvious that LL is at least demonstrating that they are listening, and are willing to incorporate changes into the system.

Not fast enough, perhaps, but they are at least not doing nothing.

But what, rethorically, speaking, they deny these claims, as happened this time?