This Has Got To Stop Linden Labs!!

Some 'people' would best be classified as animals rather than people, OliveEue. Sadly, like animals, they have no real comprehension of compassion, or others feelings, its just like an animal on the hunt 'she screwed up, in for the kill'. But carrying supposed 'personal responsibility' to its cruelest levels is a hallmark of much of the social / political structure of today....sociopathic tendencies masked by buzzwords like 'conservatism' and 'taking personal responsibility'.

I am on your side, and glad that the lindens are trying to prevent this issue with the new patch.

I think it could be a good point if there was some actual distinction to speak of, here. To the point where you could actually 'tell John apart from Peter', so to speak.

However, SL itself (and i think we can agree to treat SL UI as single 'entity') uses large amount of 'informative' popups from the get-go, along with pseudo-important warnings which the user is able to mark as 'not important, don't bother me about it again' items ... and it does affect how users learn to perceive these windows. And this is even in case of the semi-conscious user who would actually consider SL UI something separate from their computer UI on the whole, which quite obviously suffers from the same effect multiplied by amount of applications that repeat this practice of "warnings that really aren't". Whereas plenty people don't even go so far, and to them the popup window on their screen means simply *someone* in the woods is pulling on that alarm bell *again*, for nth time today.

Is it mistake to ignore this particular warning? Yes, of course. But is it entirely "their fault" they ignored it? imo, not. The UI could've been done better here, and seeing the recent blog LL actually came to similar conclusion.

I applaud LL for working on the UI in this instance to try and reduce the number of issues. But I really don't think it's going to eliminate them.

Really, for some people, the only way to keep them from ignoring important information, refusing to think for themselves, and generally being a moron, is to break their fingers and do it yourself.

What my arguments come down to are: You can only do so much, but there is a point where you *MUST* leave it up to the person to act like an adult and pay attention. Constantly revamping the UI just so it's different every time to catch the idiot's attention is not a viable solution.

so far:
1. LL came up with the system to sell land.
Result: People screwed up and sold land they didn't want to or for too little.
2. LL added a confirmation box.
Result: People screwed up and sold land they didn't want to or for too little.
3. LL revamped the confirmation box to make it more clear.
Result: People screwed up and sold land they didn't want to or for too little.

Now LL is revamping the WHOLE thing. I'll bet you L$100 that there will be complaints from People who screwed up and sold land they didn't want to or for too little.

I feel that LL is going above and beyond here and should get credit for that. But at some point you have to say "I told you what would happen and you ignored it, it's your problem."

That is a point. If LL is using the hash system though to keep griefers from using alts. Then I don't see why the land bans shouldn't at that point work the same? If you ban an account it could know if its the same computer using a different one. Sure lots more work and not really worth it just a theory.

I really don't want to ban anyone from buying my property if I go to sell it. If they are willing to pay what I truely want to sell it at why not let them? Not like I want to stay there any longer if I'm selling? Just that it would be a nice way to let them know if that was my choice that I didn't really want them to buy it.

There are always ways around it thats for sure. Just be nice to somehow make it just that much more work if I didn't want them to have what it was in this case land that I was selling.

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On to the original topic. I know I do tend to go off of that some. True this is about adding one parcel to another and having all the land go to the lower of the amounts in the sales tab. Which will be fixed in the next update 1.12 but that doesn't make it right to take advantage of that at this minute.

If there was a even just a pop up warning anyone that by putting the parcels together for sale it would rest the new one to the lower price and you'd have to accept that. Then I'd have to side with the buyer. But! That is not the case and won't be the case until the new update tomorrow. So this then was the fault of the buyer who was told what had happened and just basicly said, "Thank you sorry you lose." Due to a flaw in the way that part of land editing/selling works at this point.

I don't see how Olive is wrong in how she did that? It was an honest mistake. If you are just trading land of course anyone who HAS done it even once knows you should set it to the person you want to trade it to. So that it won't be (swooped). If you don't do that then that is your fault no matter what. I too have to agree on that point.

The way it is set up now I'd think is enuff. But, LL has a differnt idea. So after tomorrow. Yes, I'm undoutedly sure someone will STILL make this mistake because they really are just in too much of a hurry. Or just don't care to know what the screens are telling them.

However also after tomorrow. The joining of 2 parcels that are for sale will never again have to be worried over. As the new plot will auto be set to off sale! Amazing that this would have helped in the OP's case but isn't in world yet. This is what started this whole thread. All we have to do is look at it. Nothing was set to sell and be clicked to say OH I DONT CARE!?

It never asked you to accept the NEW SALE PRICE or if/who you want to sell now to? It just does it and you have to hope it doesn't get (swooped). True there are ways to prevent that too but we shouldn't HAVE to do that. Why is that so hard to comprehend? I don't think it is. And obviously LL doesn't think so either or they'd not be fixing this in the update tomorrow.

Again just my 0.02L$ worth of rant. Hope I'm not boring you all I just have to get all this out. Just the way I look at it and am happy LL is trying to make this better. Even if one will still mess up the other part of the land sale for sure.

Isaac

I do this also, and leave it there until I am absolutely sure to sell it again. This has happened to so many people I know it is disturbing. So many in fact - that I do exactly what Lewis does to his land. Just makes me feel a bit safer, just in case I click a wrong button from being sleepy lol.

Lets set a trap. Set a entire sim for 1 linden. as soon as a land swooper comes in, set it to 999999999999999 and cage them.

Same thing happened to me, I bought a lot and this other girl was waiting for it, I felt bad so went to sell her it and in 10 seconds someone bought the land and sold it for quadruple the price. What a jerk.

True. In this case Fade, speaking of joining parcels, the default of 'no sale' should be used.

No .. what you did was take advantage of a bug in SL. THAT IS AGAINsT TOS also. If you had ANY ethics you would sell the land back.

"are you sure you want to install giant buggy spyware with credit card stealing attachment 2.0?" "continue" "cancel" *cancel* "are you sure you want to install giant buggy spyware with credit card stealing attachment 2.0?" *cancel* "are you sure you want to install giant buggy spyware with credit card stealing attachment 2.0?" *cancel* "are you sure you want to install giant buggy spyware with credit card stealing attachment 2.0?" *cancel* "are you sure you want to install giant buggy spyware with credit card stealing attachment 2.0?" *cancel* "are you sure you want to install giant buggy spyware with credit card stealing attachment 2.0?" *cancel*

the cancel doesn't work, i've seen those before and clicking it does nothing except pops it back up.....

A few one liners...

Trust me Linden is aware of the situation that you call a bug.

I do not allow others influence my own buying/selling decisions.

Please stop attacking me on the forum and in this thread.

so you aren't a thief Wrestling?

So the right thing to do is hit Continue? I don't think so.

I tested how fast the land swoopers work yesterday and dedicated a whole blog entry to this topic. It took them ONE or TWO seconds to show up. Buttom line, land owners beware...set a specific name first before hitting the For Sale button. These guys are just waiting for you to make that mistake. Ethically highly questionable. And the worst thing about it is, they think they have every right to do this. Find my little rant here http://dominik-bauer.blogspot.com/

I haven't looked at tomorrows changes... or traded land in some time but I do seem to recall there being some warning about having to reset the attributes of a parcel when joining them. I'm sure it didn't specifically said price or "for sale" status.

I can't remember which way the dominance worked/works... whether it's the first parcel selected or last that ends up having its attributes take hold on the resulting parcel... I used to be better at this.

But, even before I was worried about land swoopers I always made sure my parcels were listed for excessive prices "Just in case" I accidentally marked them for sale.... and always took them off the market before doing joins/subdivides.

But then again, I'm paranoid anyway.

Hopefully not with old men who dress as clowns

This is soooo what happened!! However mine was when I was joining the land that was for sale!!....hehe you know those stinking swoopers have rights!!

1.12 release notes say it will uncheck "For sale" when you either merge or split land.

Hmmm... Dominik! You Rule! I love that. Just when we needed to have someone test that and see. You were a brave soul for sure. Now I wonder if tomorrow do we get to be able to ban GROUPS?! If we do this would be funny as all heck to ban all known land swoopers by group! If everyone did that imagine how hard it would be for them to get around the grid?! They'd have a GOSH AWFUL time trying to navigate a maze of RED ban lines just to find that nice CHEAP land! I'd be loving Second Life then for sure! Would be a nice heap of icing on that cake.



Yes, I do the same Jopsy. I always take all the land off sale before I join parcels. It makes my job so much easier. I've known that they could land swoop long ago. It has been around a LONG time probably before I even got to SL. But, it's nice to know that after tomorrow it will make there jobs just a tad more boring. With the exeception of the ones that just "forget" to read dialogs for a normal sale and think they may be fast enough to make it past the swoopers. To those that want to risk it. I say do it at your own risk because all you did was truely NOT care if you set it at 1L$ after the new tools. And we all know IT WILL HAPPEN.

Isaac

I'm having a beer for the changes coming today...And Dominik....I can't thank you enough for writing that! Isaac your idea is stupendous! AND I HAVE MY BEACH BACK SO TAKE THAT W.H. !!!! It is a good day in the neighborhood!!!! Thanks to the great folks on SL....Thanks Linden Labs for all your support...NOT

Yay! Glad to hear it, Misses Sholokhov!

Mari

Excellent suggestions.
IMO default to no sale when joined regardless thus forcing owner to set new price and availability.


Sounds like the issue goes away with update today.

Poor Olive. Big hugs.

If LL had to reimburse you for the money you lost in such a transaction, you can bet things would change extremely fast.

The person who blamed your officer is also right. Alas. Never make anyone an officer in your land group who isn't experienced at land sales.

I have to say, as muc as I sympathise with the OP here, WH has made a fair point and has willingly engaged with those who criticise him. If I'm in the supermarket and someone has inadvertantly put the wrong price on something I want, a) I can't know for sure that the price is not correct and b) sorry, but that's their problem. Unlike some of the extremely dishonest people in SL (and Sl is full of them) WH has made a point of coming onto the forum and, to mind, justifying his actions. I can't say that his actions particularly endeer him to me personally, but he's under no obligation to check that land advertised for sale at a particular price is indeed supposed to be for sale at that price. I would be upset and angry if this happened to me, but ultimately would have to take the blame myself.

If popups are ignored by the majority of users, then following a process of logical analysis that makes the majority of users inbred morons. Speed limit signs are everywhere, doesn't mean drivers should ignore them. A warning's a warning, and just because there are a lot of things that people need to be warned about, doesn't make it okay for people to ignore warnings.

Well, in fact, people can of course choose to ignore warnings, but they have to take the consequences when they do.