A vote to fix this registration mess....

This sort of thing will not help the 'cause'. I can only see the lindens looking at the numbers and simply shrugging....

A real pity...

~B

Welcome to Second Life. I am impressed that you found out about the Vote so fast and put your two cents in and did the democratic thing and put up a vote for thse who want this to stay as it is.

Can I ask what your issue is with Verification? Can you give us reasoning why we should allow all the grief and hassle? Before 6/6/6 you could become a member for free. All that was needed was a Credit Card, Validated Pay Pal account.

Our issues with out verification are.
1) Kids in adult areas.
2) Griefers who destroy and harrass are unchecked.

The Current system of reporting Abuse is broken so the Attached log is not there. So there is no protection at all.

The registration system as it stands wouldn't be a problem if there were better tools to deal with grefing.

*COUGH MACBANS COUGH*

I agree 100%. It wouldn't matter if every vote was one real fully registered member.

There is no one home any more and it is LL vs users now. Email goes unanswered, forums are treated as dirty. All the issues are swept under the carpet and not talked about.

Prime example is poor Torlely having to write the below.

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This is not the fault of the Linden staff. They I am sure are over worked and have their own issues and are under orders to deal with other issues. But no reports and how are they to know that I even said what was in the abuse report.

The comment I saw in this forum summed it all up.
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The real pity is by end of the summer SL will be not better for the break as those who build are fighting griefers and spend their time with fingers on the Ban button. The overall attitude is becomming far more agressive, hostile and self Centered. LL is loosing goodwill by the bucket load.

VOTE as many as you can. So that it is this #1 issue and the powers at be realize that the members are important and if the company needs a million members why not talk to the greatest marketing force out. The members. Not a bunch of alts that pay in no money and cause trouble. I do recognise that tehre are decent people joining up but if their Birthdate is after 6/6/6 I watch with suspission.

Right now I am not about to go around and tell friends to oooo Jump on the bandwaggon and join up. Nooo More like Wait and see how the dust settles.

I do appreciate what you say Jamie, however, that isn't what I said at all.

What I meant, and I'm sorry if I wasn't clear, was I found it disturbing that so many people who are against the current registration system are currently using that system to their own benefit.. Good luck to them I say, but I would have preferred (wishful thinking I know) that the vote was a clear message from 'individual' users of SL.

I don't believe 'there is no one home anymore'.

I do believe that the focus of SL has just changed for the worse and we have been left to deal.

I do believe many Lindens wouldn't be that happy about these changes either, but they like us rely on others to make the decisions. Right or wrong, that's the way it is.

~B

Well, I just eliminated my votes from almost every other proposal I had been supporting, so I could place 8 votes on this one!

PLEASE, LINDEN LABS, PLEASE END THIS INSANITY AND MAKE REGISTRATION TRACABLE AGAIN!

Belissa, Jamie.... alts are a fact of life. Each av gets 10 votes to use on feature voting. Would you rather I didn't use them at all? Given the current 'state of play', alts are used on all sides of issues to puff up the numbers.

I think banning Mac users would be a bit severe, even with as smug as some are. Perhaps their own grid?

You got my votes too. I am fed up with being griefed by 'so called' noobs.

Well it seems evident by the silence that nothing else seems to get through. So this is all for our own venting for our own pleasure. Lets see if we can beat all the votes so far. Hey Why not. Probably get deleted soon any how.

I have all but given up any expectation of thre really being a reversal. Silence = we ignoring you.

A grief reporting tool that doesn't do what it says it does? Whose fault could that possibly be? Donald Rumsfield's?

As if we needed further proof that they didn't care.

Why are others creating more proposals for the same thing? 1505 & 1506.

Duh, people.

Just checked and that's One Dale duplicating his proposal for "No Verification" at registration. The contrary of this proposal!

If you want to support the proposal to reinstate verification at sign up, follow this link: http://secondlife.com/vote/index.php?get_id=1503

On number of votes, this proposal is currently in 3rd place, behind Havok 2 (proposition 4) and Try before you buy (proposition 33).

Wendel

I put all 10 of my votes towards this, and I fully support it. It might seem ridiculous for me to vote on this, having been a part of SL for only one week today, and perhaps my opinion doesn't hold that much weight. But I registered for a premium account; the ability to sign up without any sort of ID verfication or credit card needed had absolutely no weight in my decision to join, the timing was just coincidental. It's not fair to me and other legitimate newbies that the SL population at large have been left with no other choice but to regard all new residents with suspicion, or in some extreme cases (that I have experienced), complete and total mistrust. It's not fair that people whom have invested so much of their time and money into shaping and improving SL now have to also direct their efforts towards recovering from malicious 'alt' incidents, and preventing future ones. It's not fair that a complete lack of age and identification verification could potentially create so much of a liability for LL that mature-themed content is risk for censorship. It's not fair that LL have effectively called 'open season' on their own virtual world merely to try catching up to some of the others. I could go on, I'm sure we all could.

Again, I apologize if this seems a bit much to say from my position, but I'm only echoing many of the sentiments expressed already, and though I'm new, I'm not blind to the problem. Hey, during office hours reading this forum is my way to get the SL 'fix', so I've definitely read enough of the complaints, problems, and concerns expressed by older users, and experienced several of the issues myself, and my very favorite place in SL, The Shelter, has had a number of incidents in just the one week I've been frequenting it alone.

One of the saddest aspects through all of this, to me, has been the beaten-down, weary attitude expressed by so many residents. I've been led to believe that the opinions of the people often fall upon deaf ears and that even when movements succeed in getting approval, they're not all always brought to fruition. I hope this doesn't wind up to be true.

vote for prop 1503 bring back identity verification


Prop: 1503 1544 votes/199 voters keep them coming

I gave me vote

wow this is amazing in less then
24 hours

Prop: 1503 1646 votes/213 voters

I resemble that remark

No really though.. allow parcel owners to see and or ban individual IP's, domains, and MAC addresses. The greifer problem would disappear (or greatly reduce) within a week.


THIS SHOULD BE #1 ON LL'S PRIORITY LIST RIGHT NOW!

1661 votes now.

Think LL will get the hint?

~Jessy

More and more I think this is the solution. The new policy wouldn't bother me in the least if we had this option.

IP/Domain/MAC address bans are useless.

1) MAC addresses aren't accessible from the Internet, unless the server just so happens to be on the same subnet as the client's computer. Now, the SL client MAY be able to get the MAC address from the drivers and pass it on, but the sad fact is that most NIC drivers allow the user to CHANGE the MAC address to whatever they want, so this angle is useless.
2) Most users are on ISPs that have dynamic IP allocations. Yes, even broadband, including most cable and DSL services, uses it. So, all a griefer has to do is unplug his cable/DSL modem, plug it back in, and the ISP assigns a new IP address from that pool (few ISPs keep DHCP bindings for more than a few minutes). Further, assuming you ban someone's dynamic IP, unless you have in place a way to un-ban it within a relatively short period of time, someone else who gets assigned that IP will find themselves banned for no reason. This doesn't even touch on the topic of open proxies. So, this method is useless.
3) Domain name bans. Basically the same as IP bans. They don't work for IRC, they won't work for SL.

Even with the ability to have an effective means to ban accurately and precisely, I still do not want to play in a world made griefer-friendly. At its most esoteric, it is a matter of principle, with the developers saying "we value our numbers more than your satisfaction and quality of play experience". Practically, however, it is a matter of coping with the fallout, and I have better things to do with my time than spend hours combating griefers and unabashed abusive folks who would not even be here if we had the verification process.

Again, I maintain strongly that it is a bad idea to remove the most powerful tool they ever had in their anti-griefer arsenal, regardless of the reason. It was a short-sighted move, and it will cost them dearly in the long run.

i suggest that this should be what you guys are voting for, rather than keeping our gated community :3 let people build individual walls. don't fence the whole world off.


50% agree. you and i could get around them. some grievers could get around them. some people can get around anything. your average griever though has an attention span of a couple hours at best, and i think they will just go bug someone else.

How many are alts?

whistles....

Got my 10.



heh how ironic would that be?

ROFLMAO

Hmmmm....

*runs off with a wicked grin*

~Jessy