Petition and Poll: Reinstate CrisMid

It really depends on a case by case basis. In general, I agree, depending on the nature of the exploit, it should be kept as low key as possible. However, when you have an exploit that is being actively used to damage builds going on for hours, warning people outweighed the potential that alerting people also would alert those who would use the vulnerability (though I personally think that the vast majority of griefers don't read the forums anyway).

What I meant by my statement about continuing to report is I am not going to let this deter me from reporting, unlike what Weedy said - I will be more than happy to use the freshly implemented formal emergency procedures that are now being put into place. I would prefer that, I just don't have tremendous faith in it. If those procedures are all for show and do not produce any tangible improvements and a similar situation came up again, as a last resort I would do the exact same thing. I am all for safe disclosure, but honestly, companies often do not act unless pressed into action.

How many people have actually been permabanned from the both the forums and SL itself? I still only know of one and that person was given ample warning and chances to adjust their behavior. They never did and they were only punted from the forums. People can lament the rules and the system but ultimately it still comes down to personal responsibility. Sure, it's easy to have a bad day and go over the line or to break a rule inadvertantly, but if you get a bunch of warnings before anything really bad happens then shouldn't we as responsible adults be able to ammend our behavior before getting the boot? Frankly I'm more annoyed by people who blame everything on the system and never on themselves, even if what got them a three day vacation was completely accidental. Is the answer really "no, I can't change my ways"? If so that would seem to be more of a personal problem of the poster and not a fault of the system.

The fact that the WA was still standing after you announced it on the forums, I seriously doubt there were that many people using the bug at that time. Getting LL to take down the grid as soon as possible to fix the bug was important though.

all were taken by surprise over the reason for their reprimand

You're absolutely right that they probably won't get eventually banned; as long as they shut up and stop posting, that is.

Violations of community standards and or terms of service. No surprise, only arrogance.

If you feel your cause is for the greater good, then by all means do what you feel is right. Don't be shocked when you're tagged with a TOS violation for it though.

my how we appluded when they ran the gadfly out. how wedanced and hailed the wisdom of the lords of the olive tree. How sage they were, how even handed and just they were in their application of justice to preserve the community for divisive elements. ahh the halycon days of the FIC, the demise of the gadfly and howling down of those who supported him.

how the worm has turned, the mighty have fallen and justice seems to have put on the leather boots and the bullwhip and dropped the sword and scale. injustice the evil lords do, sending our bravest and fairest from the land. politcs and preference! return him to us, or be damned. this is arbitrary and meaningless, he did not violate the letter of the almighty book of TOS, after all.

a might injuctice has been done.

hehehe.

Wish I could say I hadn't told ya so. Yes the suspension in question may have been arbitrary and capricioous and not justified..but this is not the first time. The only suprise here is that everyone seems so shocked.

Violations of community standards and or terms of service. No surprise, only arrogance.

If you feel your cause is for the greater good, then by all means do what you feel is right. Don't be shocked when you're tagged with a TOS violation for it though.

So you think Cris acted out of arrogance? And the other cases which I cited, are you familiar with them?

I've never quite developed the knack for see things clearly as black and white, although I envy those who do. It seems so much simpler than considering varying shades of grey in different light as I do.

Being surprised by the suspension would be arrogance, yes.

The only person showing any level of arrogance would be you on making assumptions about others.

I'm not saying that the system is perfect by any means, but your response is putting the responsibility for the content of our posts on LL and their system rather than on us as posters. We many not agree with the reasons but each of those instances had one that we as intelligent adults should be fully capable of learning from and not repeating so many times that we get ourselved booted from the world. We don't have to like the rules but we do have to abide by them. It may be an unpopular position but I support LL's right to define the rules and their application on their private forums and I think we're all intelligent enough not to get ourselves banned, unless we put our egos above the rules.

I won't dispute it.. ;0 I'm an arrogant prick

Date: Saturday, July 22, 2006
Violation: Terms of Service: Exploit Disclosure
Region: —
Description: Reposting a quote containing details of a serious exploit.
Action taken: Suspended 7 days.

The exploit that was discovered and caused the grid to close sunday, my post didnt go step by step on how to do it, but what stumbling over it caused. I put it in a 6 or 7 page thread full of bugs from the new version including the texture theft bug... then 2 days later I get a suspension notice and I see the police blotter fill up with a few like my own.

My question is this... The bug, at most, caused objects to be moved... people could take them back up or they got auto-returned... no one gained any money off doing this bug... so how can it be deemed an exploit, no one got an unfair advantage or took money off another's work... while the texture bug was posted around for days and DID provide a means to make money off others...

I feel the punishments were either

A.) resmod vendettas
B.) LL making a very bad move, trying to prove some point (and badly failing)

I mean, close, lock and delete the thread, don't allow bug threads to be started... because someone like me, who is TRYING so hard to help, ends up getting suckerpunched for some reason...

I've never gotten any warnings in game or on the forums (I have PMs on)

I've never had any negative interactions with the lindens (until now)

Why the heavy handed response?

A suspension should be based on what was said and not who said it.

I remember your post. You hadn't realised you had stumbled on an 'exploit'. It was a 'hey I found another bug to add to the list' post. Suspending you was totally over the top. All of this has changed my perspective on LL.

The inability to discuss these situations is a biggy. Where's the learning when you are familiar with the rules, don't think you've violated them, in fact take care not to violate them as Cris did, and the company holds to a no comment stand?

What was it that was said, Susie? Can you post it somewhere, maybe at sluniverse.com? You seem to have absolute certainty about this matter, I assume you have the entire thread available to post.

I guess thats true enough but I don't beleave the punishments handed out were fair or right... compared to other things they punish for, and that you get a warning at least.... this was way, way too heavy handed...

At least in everquest a GM would come and speak to you about it to discover intent of if you were aware of what you were doing (like with kiting exploits, or finding a quest giver that pays too much)

and SoE is said to be the last in customer service....