Petition and Poll: Reinstate CrisMid
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Old Television
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07-27-2006 08:08
From: Beau Perkins I like Cristiano and feel he is an asset to the community and my vote is in no way a reflection of his stand up character.
With that said, the policy is pretty clear. You can not publicaly publish exploits. If he did not get suspended, it would just re-enforce myths of a favored group of people in SL. This is one way LL can prove, there is no one above the TOS. I agree, but ironically, the existence of this very thread proves that there are people that are above the TOS. *looks at OP*  |
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Phedre Aquitaine
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07-27-2006 08:08
He didn't publish exploits, he published a /notice/ of exploits.
Hell, as far as I know O'Reilly still has hacks for SL on their site and LL was supporting it, right down to the texture interception.
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Rabbitsfoot Soothsayer
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07-27-2006 08:09
From: Beau Perkins I like Cristiano and feel he is an asset to the community and my vote is in no way a reflection of his stand up character.
With that said, the policy is pretty clear. You can not publicaly publish exploits. If he did not get suspended, it would just re-enforce myths of a favored group of people in SL. This is one way LL can prove, there is no one above the TOS. I tend to agree that full disclosure of SL exploits should be restricted to SL staffers, at least until they've had a "reasonable" period in which to fix said exploit. Posting warnings about said exploits and preventative measures residents can take should be encouraged in the fullest way possible. However I think next time Cris discovers an exploit he'll post about it (under an alt) on his own forums. Driving away / Banning however temporary, the more technically gifted and civic minded of SL Residents is not a long term fruitful policy. |
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Savi Sieyes
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07-27-2006 08:10
Signed
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Circe Timtam
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07-27-2006 08:10
Signed.
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Phoenix Psaltery
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07-27-2006 08:36
/signed
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Aodhan McDunnough
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07-27-2006 08:39
I would like to know one fact. A question answerable by just yes or no.
Did CrisMid include the full procedure of the exploit? (Intention, additional text, OP, or quote notwithstanding)
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Fade Languish
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07-27-2006 08:43
From: Aodhan McDunnough I would like to know one fact. A question answerable by just yes or no.
Did CrisMid include the full procedure of the exploit? (Intention, OP, or quote notwithstanding) He says no, and that also accords with my memory of the post. As I recall it, he did about as much as we did with the texture exploit. |
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Selador Cellardoor
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07-27-2006 08:45
From: Beau Perkins I like Cristiano and feel he is an asset to the community and my vote is in no way a reflection of his stand up character.
With that said, the policy is pretty clear. You can not publicaly publish exploits. If he did not get suspended, it would just re-enforce myths of a favored group of people in SL. This is one way LL can prove, there is no one above the TOS. He didn't publish an exploit. He warned about one. |
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Selador Cellardoor
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07-27-2006 08:47
From: Rabbitsfoot Soothsayer
However I think next time Cris discovers an exploit he'll post about it (under an alt) on his own forums.
I think the next time *anyone* discovers an exploit they will keep quiet about it, and let the Lindens discover it for themselves two months later. |
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Selador Cellardoor
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07-27-2006 08:48
From: Aodhan McDunnough I would like to know one fact. A question answerable by just yes or no.
Did CrisMid include the full procedure of the exploit? (Intention, additional text, OP, or quote notwithstanding) No, he did not. |
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Aodhan McDunnough
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07-27-2006 08:49
From: Fade Languish He says no, and that also accords with my memory of the post. As I recall it, he did about as much as we did with the texture exploit. Thanks. I had to ask because I did not see any post anywhere that excplicitly stated that the procedure was not included. All I saw were "he was warning us" posts. Assuming now that his post had no details. It begs the question, what was the precise reason for the suspension? Does anyone have that information stated as fact? What I'm trying to find out here is if he in fact did not violate the TOS. My question is not about the penalty, it's about the violation itself. Truth be told I really want to hear official word on the case from the Lindens. Thing is I also understand privacy policies regarding the matter.  I am unhappy with the way things are turning out since just looking at who voted which way the issue is dividing the residents and it's also putting friction between residents and LL.
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Lou Dobbs
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07-27-2006 08:50
From: Aodhan McDunnough I would like to know one fact. A question answerable by just yes or no.
Did CrisMid include the full procedure of the exploit? (Intention, additional text, OP, or quote notwithstanding) No. |
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Eggy Lippmann
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07-27-2006 08:50
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Ricky Zamboni
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Obligatory TOS quote...
07-27-2006 08:56
From: The Almighty TOS "2.6 Linden Lab may suspend or terminate your account at any time, without refund or obligation to you.
Linden Lab has the right at any time for any reason or no reason to suspend or terminate your Account, terminate this Agreement, and/or refuse any and all current or future use of the Service without notice or liability to you. " All hail the almighty TOS. |
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Caliandris Pendragon
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07-27-2006 09:00
Just cos they could, doesn't mean they should.
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Aodhan McDunnough
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07-27-2006 09:00
From: Ricky Zamboni All hail the almighty TOS. Sadly that's a fact too. However it's not in LL's best interest to invoke that in this case if there was a miscall. That provision is a catchall in the event of new unforseen problems, it is not good to use it for a miscall, if in case this was one.
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Beryl Greenacre
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07-27-2006 09:06
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07-27-2006 09:14
From: Aodhan McDunnough Assuming now that his post had no details. It begs the question, what was the precise reason for the suspension?
Does anyone have that information stated as fact? 
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Richie Waves
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07-27-2006 09:17
ITS A 3 DAY BAN!!! relax.. jesus he brb >.<
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Aradia Aridian
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07-27-2006 09:17
Signed in favor of Cris.
As far as I am concerned he was performing a service to the community.
WHEN exactly were we going to be informed of the exploit otherwise?!
No time soon I imagine.
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Phedre Aquitaine
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07-27-2006 09:17
From: Richie Waves ITS A 3 DAY BAN!!! relax.. jesus he brb >.< Principle of the thing.
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Summer Carmichael
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07-27-2006 09:20
Has everyone heard that posting SL exploits in the forums is a bad idea? It's highly frowned upon and should never be done? If it is done...does everyone know now what is going to happen to them?
I have nothing against this guy, he seems to be well liked, does good for the community, etc. but it seems in all his goodness and upstandingness and high intelligence, he could of made a choice to get this information to the Lindens without posting it to the forums, where it can do maximum harm. He could of done it a good handful of other ways actually and still gotten the same information out, he made a bad decision in posting it to the LL forums, and I hear the Lindens loud and clear about how they feel about it. I certainly will think twice or find a different way of communicating that infomation if I had information like that from here on out.
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pandastrong Fairplay
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07-27-2006 09:21
WHO KNOWS WHAT EVIL LURKS IN THE HEARTS OF MEN?
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Phedre Aquitaine
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07-27-2006 09:24
From: Summer Carmichael Has everyone heard that posting SL exploits in the forums is a bad idea? It's highly frowned upon and should never be done? If it is done...does everyone know now what is going to happen to them?
I have nothing against this guy, he seems to be well liked, does good for the community, etc. but it seems in all his goodness and upstandingness and high intelligence, he could of made a choice to get this information to the Lindens without posting it to the forums, where it can do maximum harm. He could of done it a good handful of other ways actually and still gotten the same information out, he made a bad decision in posting it to the LL forums, and I hear the Lindens loud and clear about how they feel about it. I certainly will think twice or find a different way of communicating that infomation if I had information like that from here on out. He didn't post HOW TO DO IT, just that it EXISTED. Shall I put it in semaphore next? Perform interpretive dance? What?
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