Petition and Poll: Reinstate CrisMid

We don't enjoy constitutional justice here. The TOS makes it clear that the Second Life project functions as a totalitarian state. At best we enjoy royal court justice. That's the best we can expect for the money and time we devote to the continued development of this software.

It may not do any good. It may be pointless. Everything you said is absolutely correct, up to a point my friend.

But I still signed it

Okay...that's what I get for answering the poll before my coffee...

I read the title and assumed the poll was asking if Cristiano should be reinstated immediately...so I clicked yes. I then realized the poll was asking a different question than the title...in which case my answer would have been no, his suspension was not fair.

I am easily confused in my old age, sorry. =/

I signed it, favoring Cris.

I just cannot justify banning him for posting an exploit, while others who are using exploits are protected.

You're so impatient. Bush & Blair are working on it as hard as they can.

Oh -- and --




SIGNED.

Damn... I just bought one for L$500.

Lewis

signed without an unfunny British punchline.

signed

/signed
Now where's the watermelon?

This is what I know of the situation plus an appraisal, some of the info is second-hand since first hand info is no longer available.

The exploit in focus is a major one, one that allows people to delete other people's stuff. If you would translate this into real world terms it's the ability to destroy buildings, cities and other property.

Full disclosure of the procedure to perform the exploit is tantamount to teaching people how to build an atomic bomb and giving them the material to make it. Taken as an analogy, this is not an exaggeration.

The kind of exploit involved is very damaging, and as such Linden Lab would be expected to bear down very hard on anyone who discloses the procedure.

Now word is there were three suspensions. I will suppose CrisMid was one of them.

Summing up what I read all over, there were three posts also, each disclosing the method in full.

I got to read one post before it got censored and the procedure that leads to the exploit situation was described in full. The post got censored with a red tag, procedure removed, but the thread still exists. I warned the topic starter of the threat of suspension because of his disclosure and I think the suspension happened.

There was a second post mentioned, that came from a thread that got deleted. Here the post was not censored but the entire thread deleted (hence we have no access to this first-hand info anymore). The word was the procedure was described in full (no author name was given in the post I read).

Assuming the above info are all correct, that accounts for two suspensions, both due to clear violations of the TOS.

Which leaves the third post which word says quoted a post that disclosed the full procedure. Now you might debate the level of guilt of this poster unfortunately word was the procedure was quoted in full, so in terms of content, the post contains full disclosure even if the poster did not type it in himself. I will assume that this person is the third suspended party. IMO the poster should have edited the quote to remove the procedure.

I have no idea which of the latter two posts might have belonged to CrisMid.

I can appreciate the effort that people say that CrisMid was warning us of the exploit, however assuming he was one of the two on the deleted thread he did not have to disclose the procedure when issuing a warning. I cannot understand why the procedure was disclosed by anyone, since there is no purpose to such and the TOS explicitly warns against doing it.

Now I cannot make a call on this for the simple reason that the evidence lies in a thread that was deleted by the mods, a thread that I never got to read.

Anyone who has not seen the original text likewise should not be making a call. That right belongs only to people who saw the post first-hand.

Signed - and Cristiano didn't break any policy I've ever seen. He was merely pointing out a bug that was crucial to get fixed that had been ignored by LL through other avenues for days. I can't tell you how many times I've had Lindens ask me for "solid reproductions of bugs" - hundreds of times!

In addition, I'm starting to think update day should be Monday, not Wednesday, if LL is going to continue to shut down for the weekends (which happens to be the busiest time for SL, and when we need it to be the most stable).

Regards,

-Flip

Signed. We can also have a "Free Hat" campaign if it'll help!

MM

I rarely touch polls like these, but I have to agree with the majority. His punishment was not just, no matter how short-lived the actual terms of it are.

I'm not going to go into detail because I already did so in another thread. The most salient point is, none of this would be happening if proper QA procedures were in place. This was the jist of Cristiano's original message. The actions taken beyond only strengthen his argument.

signed.

I still have no information about what you people are signing.

While I might (or probably??) agree with the petition (or poll), there's just nothing to sign, no text, no demands (you know, petitions usually contain demands, statements, etc).

A 'Do you like pepperoni on a pizza' type poll is NOT a petition

PS: Okay, I figured it out. The petition is 'demanding' to reinstate Chris Midnight. The reasons and details are still cloudy, all that I can get from it that Chris did SOMETHING on the forums(?) that got him banned.

It's like EULAs and TOS agreements... just click "Next".

Thanks,
MM

True ...



Over here we are actually in a worse position in one respect. I am a local politician, and Blair is the leader of *my* political party, a party for which I have worked since I was a child. He has perverted its ideals to suit his own totalitarian agenda.

Not a good position to be in, but fortunately I will only be in it until next May.

Sorry to hear that; I imagine it must be a very fundamental betrayal for you.

I read Cris' original post, and so far as I recall the exploit was described, but there was no hint of how it might be carried out.

I am willing to admit that my memory is not good, and that I might be wrong, but it does seem to me that history is in the process of being rewritten.

Thank you. Not just for me - for many people.

@Selador

And May is a long wait.

Was never fond of politics, too much frustration, too many overlong arguments, personalities and interests all fly in every direction.

Signed

oh, and wish I'd beat you to this thought Kendra:

If I recall correctly - and I bloody well do - Cris didn't post anything on HOW to do the exploit, merely that it existed. I went through that entire thread to see if there were details so I could figure out if there was a way to guard against it.

(There wasn't.)

Signed

I like Cristiano and feel he is an asset to the community and my vote is in no way a reflection of his stand up character.

With that said, the policy is pretty clear. You can not publicaly publish exploits. If he did not get suspended, it would just re-enforce myths of a favored group of people in SL. This is one way LL can prove, there is no one above the TOS.