Essential community news..... in a blog?
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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07-02-2006 07:15
From: Lewis Nerd Anyone else notice this new 'click through' on the forums list? What's the point? These are the official forums. This is where things should be announced, this is where things are discussed. Not some third party blog, even if it is written by a Linden. Lewis And don't you find the way the letter t curves at the bottom on this particular forum font completely irritating? Why should we have to put up with this? Enough is enough.
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Raudf Fox
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07-02-2006 07:25
I don't mind the link to the blog. I was getting rather tired of seeing people like Torley having to quote it anyways. This just saves me the hunt to see it myself first hand.
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07-02-2006 07:50
From: Lewis Nerd I don't. Blogs are not something I desire to waste my time reading. Answer seems simple, don't read it then. I like the new visibility, even though I'll likely do no more than skim them like I currently do most of the forums. Jeez Lewis, you seem like a deeply morose and unhappy individual. If you hate this much about second life then you must really hate first life. Do you get any better response from your congressional rep or local dog catcher?
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Elohim Nephilim
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07-02-2006 08:00
From: Ingrid Ingersoll And don't you find the way the letter t curves at the bottom on this particular forum font completely irritating? Why should we have to put up with this? Enough is enough. I agree Ingrid, I spend hours looking at tha little curve, and my blood pressure rises........ And whats with the colour scheme...... And I've just posted with my alt again, oops Lucifer Baphomet 
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Lina Pussycat
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07-02-2006 08:06
I'll point out a few things here. Mainly people are more likely to read robins blog as opposed to the forums to be honest. Not many people bother coming on forums and if you talk to the majority of SL they really dont bother. A blog is a good way to upkeep stuff without a bunch of trash causing it to get lost in the thruput regardless of it being official or unofficial. Personally i find it better of them to do this and it'll give a better view of stuff rather then smacking announcments constantly to see what is upcoming then.
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Lucifer Baphomet
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07-02-2006 08:24
The Blog is good, as Lina said, more will look at that than the forum. Most of SL's users wouldnt touch this forum if they were paid to.
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Jonquille Noir
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07-02-2006 08:39
Heh... They even found a way to make their own perm-bans from the forums utterly useless.
Good job, LL.
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Ordinal Malaprop
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07-02-2006 08:48
I can see a certain logic in having everything in one place, but honestly, forums are not great places for announcements; you can't use RSS readers on them for a start, not if they require logins which this one does, and come on, with the reliability of the forums at the moment... Also, anyone outside of SL (tech bloggers, news sites etc) wanting to link to them can do so much more easily. Forums are designed for discussion. Blogs aren't quite so hot on discussion but they're great for regular updates. As long as I have a central source linking to them - which I do, I have Announcements on subscription plus read the various Linden blogs via RSS - they could write the actual text on a Geocities page for all I'd care.
And you know an LL announcement wouldn't be worthwhile without Prok being able to comment on it.
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Seraph Nephilim
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07-02-2006 09:29
I just hope that they continue to post at least links to any important information *in the forums*. I keep up-to-date not by browsing the forums, but by using the "New Posts" link. I'd hate to miss something important because it isn't actually posted.
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Shep Korvin
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07-02-2006 16:45
From: Lewis Nerd We need one centralised SL information system to keep up with everything. Here should be it, being the official site. Other sites should be optional The beauty of blogs is you *can* get all your information (from SL _and_ other sources) in one - single - centralised information system. You can integrate a blog's feed into your desktop... put it into your news aggregator... make it appear on your google homepage... your yahoo notepage.... your windows start page or any of dozens of other web-based readers. The whole point of blogs and RSS/xml feeds is that the information will come to you, rather than you having to go to the information. If you find blogs only add to the list of websites that you have to visit each day, then you're not using them properly.
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Kim Manilow
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07-02-2006 18:06
As much as I hate agreeing with Lewis Nerd, please tell me that anything really essential will appear in announcements as well. I don't have time to read some LL published blog. It's bad enough that I have to read the forums.
I wonder if they understand the meaning of the word "essential." I skimmed it, and "essential" seems a bit exaggerated.
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CrazyMonkey Feaver
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07-02-2006 18:16
Why is there no link to the blog in question? where is it?
hmm... Unless you guys are talking about the blogs on the secondlife website. In that case I dont know where the confusion is. If its on another web-site then I have no idea where it is, how are we supposed to know?
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Dustyn Rosewood
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07-02-2006 18:28
From: Lewis Nerd Anyone else notice this new 'click through' on the forums list?
What's the point? These are the official forums. This is where things should be announced, this is where things are discussed. Not some third party blog, even if it is written by a Linden.
Lewis Robins blog is an official LL web sight and having a click though just below official announcements makes it very visible LOL even you found it Lewis that has to say something in and of it self. http://secondlife.blogs.com/change/
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Dustyn Rosewood
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07-02-2006 18:35
From: Lewis Nerd I don't. Blogs are not something I desire to waste my time reading. I know they're the "in thing" right now and everyone who's everyone has them.... yet I don't, so that blows that theory out of the water. I just don't see why we need another site that duplicates up the purpose of these forums.
Saving time would mean putting them on the proper forums so there isn't somewhere else to have to trawl through.
So what you're saying is people who don't go there will end up being penalised and not getting the information they need about changes to the game, and will not have the opportunity to have their input on important decisions.
Lewis LEWIS YOU ARE NOT THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE!
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CrazyMonkey Feaver
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07-02-2006 21:17
Hmm, all this over the LL blogs? I though it have been on some 3rd party web-site or something to cause this trouble.
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Lewis Nerd
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07-02-2006 23:29
From: Dustyn Rosewood LEWIS YOU ARE NOT THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE! I never claimed to be.... and don't recall resorting to shouting to get a point across either. Simple fact is that I am entitled to my opinion, and there are people who are agreeing with me, which goes to show that it's not just some deluded ramblings of my addled mind. It's an issue that some people care about. Do you? What's your thought about official LL information being tucked away on an external blog rather than on the forums, because I can't tell from your post. Lewis
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Vares Solvang
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07-02-2006 23:35
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Rotary Fan
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07-02-2006 23:47
When you go to http://secondlife.blogs.com you get the old New World Notes page with a link to the author's current web site, which is not an official Linden site. It's time to make the http://secondlife.blogs.com address have current content with links to the Linden blogs.
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Lewis Nerd
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07-02-2006 23:51
Why waste a post like that? Why don't you share why you disagree with me instead? Besides, I like something with a bit more bite... a nice vintage Cheddar. Lewis
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07-03-2006 02:17
From: Kim Manilow As much as I hate agreeing with Lewis Nerd, please tell me that anything really essential will appear in announcements as well. I don't have time to read some LL published blog. It's bad enough that I have to read the forums. I wonder if they understand the meaning of the word "essential." I skimmed it, and "essential" seems a bit exaggerated. Fear not. It (the important bit) was in Announcements, and the link to Robin's Blog was provided in her post in Announcements. It was no different to clicking a link to another forum page. Lewis is kicking up a fuss about nothing, the information was still accessible from exactly where you would expect to look.
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Jessica Elytis
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07-03-2006 04:10
Lewis,
I agree with you on a lot of issues here, but not this one.
1) The forum link to Robin's blog was very much needed. SL needs communication with the community bad. I'll applaud any way they do that.
2) The blog is linked out of our forums. Easy to find, and as one poster already stated, the smae amount of clicks as opening a post here anyway.
3) The blog format is easier for some to read and disimelate. I imagine Robin is one of those, so having information posted in a format the writer feels more comfortable in means better communication because they will feel more like placing that information there in the comfortable envrionment.
4) The forums here are hostile, full of immature, and poorly thought out posts. It is a well known public forum. While Robin's blog is also public, you must find it by going through the system. Even if that is simply comming to these forums and seeing it, then clicking the link. That means only people who really want to see what's going on with SL are going to go to that "3rd party site".
Personally, I like to read the blog. It gives good information at times. However, even with one or two other Linden's helping, it is still only the viewpoint of basically one Linden. No matter how high up the ladder that Linden is. This does not give a view of the community, like the forums, but does give the viewpoint of Linden Labs. Without all the cluttler of residents screaming and such.
The forums provide more of an environment for the community. Yes, Linden's post here, but all and all it is resident run. Even to the point of LL asigning ResMods to watch the forums. I feel it is one more step for LL to let the community govern ourselves. We take the forums, though they still moderate them and post when needed and in certain sections, and LL provides information through a connected blog. This way they let us to the forum, but make sure they are not abandoning us to the void.
People inworld don't always read the forums. Thier choice.
People don't have to read Robin's blog for that information either. Thier choice.
LL gave us the choice at least.
~Jessy
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Kim Manilow
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07-03-2006 13:16
You people don't get it. Don't force me to read a blog. NO TIME. If it's essential put it in announcements. Pretty simple really.
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FlipperPA Peregrine
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07-03-2006 13:32
From: Lewis Nerd I think what you mean is that I am an active poster, and wish to be a part of the community. After all, "being the change" requires active not passive? No, you're a negative whiner who's paranoid of change and anything that challenges your extremely narrow world-view. Let's examine the desire to be part of the community; here are Lewis's most recent threads started (foregoing ones that can not be replied to): Thread 1: Essential community news..... in a blog? /108/65/117803/1.htmlaka WHINING about Linden Lab making information easier to access! YE GADS! Thread 2: I see the L$ is losing value again /130/54/117899/1.htmlWow, my heart bleeds, though why do you care? I thought this was "a game, and ONLY a game." Thread 3: Arbitrarily locking threads? /108/87/117677/1.htmlGee, Lewis complains again, that's three in a row, I'm SHOCKED. Thread 4: New signin.... how pathetic /108/c8/116894/1.htmlGawd, I didn't know anyone could sound this negative. While I don't agree with everything the Lindens do, I try to offer SOLUTIONS instead of being a pathetic sounding whiner. If it that pathetic, surely you can do better; I expect to see NerdWorld launched within the year. Thread 5: Collecting information about your computer? /108/6d/116664/1.htmlOkay, first you're complaining about the lack of registration, then you complain about the invasion of privacy by displaying registration status. There's the top five, all whiny sounding complaint threads. Amongst other recent highlight threads from Mr. Nerd: "Sandboxes....... aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrggggggggghhhhhh", "Forum lag... I wonder...", "Complaint: Second Life Views", "Texture cacheing broken again". Is there ANYTHING you're positive about? You, sir, define the term "troll" repeatedly, you intentionally call the Second Life platform a game just to piss people off, and continue to strut about this place as if its your living room. It isn't - its Linden Lab's. And by the way - you've been here long enough to have figured out THAT THE COMPANY THAT MAKES SECOND LIFE IS CALLED LINDEN LAB, NOT LINDEN LABS! There is ONE lab, not TWO, not THREE - ONE. New citizens - you know, ones that have LESS than 2000 trolling posts in the forums - are allowed to get away with the mis-spelling. You're not. So get it right. Singular. Not plural. Capiche?! Jeez, I can't believe you even complain about LL trying to make communication better. I'm sure essential announcements will still be made to the announcements forum - Robin's blog is more in-depth thoughts about the future of SL. Also, be sure to read the above post about news aggregators and RSS feeds. Sheesh. -Flip
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07-03-2006 16:07
This is akin to listening to an adolescent who thinks he knows everything and fails to see how genuinely ignorant he is. We are left to silently read his words, helpless to correct some of the more grandiose declarations that any adult should have long before outgrown.
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Kim Manilow
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07-03-2006 17:41
"I'm sure essential announcements will still be made to the announcements forum - Robin's blog is more in-depth thoughts about the future of SL. "
It's called "Essential Community News."
Why not call it "Non-Essential Community News," if that is what it is. Then I won't feel obligated to read it.
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