What's so bad about Furries & Goreans anyway?

Fuck the bathroom man. A NYC subway, much?

This is the part I find curious and somewhat interesting, mostly in the technical sense. Could she gain control of the tail? It also sounds like something relatively harmless and painless. I think that eventually we'll get to the point where this kind of thing could be done routinely.

Not something I would do myself, but don't see anything wrong with it. Not sure about your particular case though, as your friend sounds like she could use a visit to a psychiatrist.



Now that sounds seriously painful. Who does these operations, btw? I mean, I imagine doing something like adding a tail is relatively easy and shouldn't have bad long term consequences, but this sounds big and with potential really bad complications.

BTW, unless you're a doctor, giving advice on the subject is probably a bad idea.



I would try to talk her out of the hoof idea, far too likely that nothing good will come out of it, and could result in long term bad consequences. Not to mention possibly lifelong medical bills, as I don't think insurance would cover anything that might go wrong due to that.



Buy her from her family? O.o

I really hope you're not being serious here and just pulling my leg, but if you are, I repeat I think dragging her to a psychiatrist could be a pretty good idea.



Heh, I don't think I know anybody who could be said to be completely normal. But then life would be awfully boring if we were all the same

Well, she liked the hoof idea and she's into the pain so much, there's not much talking her out of it.

Plus I know a psych case when I see it. The girl might have benefitted from it years ago, but at this point she'd just be dosed up and locked up. Since she's not harming anyone (except herself, which she seems to enjoy, and lets me kinda make sure she doesn't overdo it) I figure, just let her be happy.

I think I've talked her into scaling the hooves down a bit though. I told her that if she nailed them on through her feet like a horseshoe, she'd have to not only take antibiotics for quite a long time until it healed, but also would have sanitary problems that could cause her to lose a foot because she couldn't wash. I think I've got her more into a "sandals secured with metal teeth" style idea that still digs into her foot, but doesn't require a hammer to remove.

I dont think she could control the tail. I think that's part of why she's OK with it though, she's into droopy tailed animals like horses as her idea.

Matches my thoughts as well. I have no problems with tattoos/piercings/tails/whatever. Not my kind of thing, but if it rocks your boat... I'm just thinking the hoof thing sounds far too drastic -- never heard of such a thing, and that sounds like something that could leave her unable to properly walk for life, and I'm not sure how happy she'd be then.



Why not get something less drastic? Surely theaters have whatever equipment they use to represent satyrs and such, and that kind of thing should be a lot less painful as well.

I have a questen.If Cookie Monster would show up would he be hated because he is furry and blue. Its all about hte Cookie right I swear they always picking on my cookie!

Dude, I just... Dude. I don't even know where to start.

It's nice that she has a friend who wants to understand and support her, don't get me wrong. But some things are just not worth supporting.

It's not body modification. It's body mutilation.

The mind boggles: What sort of doctor would do this? And if it's not a doctor, how the hell is it safe? And if it's not safe, what the hell are you doing supporting it?

Hell yeah there are psych issues at work here. I don't know what your background is or what you do for a living, but are you really qualified to write her off and say everyone should just take her as she wants to be?

I mean, if someone walks around saying they're Napoleon, they're headed for a straitjacket. Why would it be any different if they say they're a horse/succubus/demon? Reality check!?

She *is* harming herself, way beyond someone who enjoys an occasional flogging or paddling. There's a reason people don't have hooves. We didn't evolve that way, our toes merging into one digit with one big, hard toenail covering them all. Nail through the foot? Are you freaking kidding me?

If you do love this person, man, she needs real help. Not amateur help. Sorry. Good luck!

I'm all for tolerance and yes I agree that there are some things that a friend simply nods their head to and decides to live and let live....BUT.... a true friend will also know when to pull your dumb ass out of the fire if you don't no matter what reason you have for being in it.

A professional procedure?? Noooo. There is not a board certified safe doctor anywhere who would do these procedures. If she's found one, he's not legit. Honestly if this story is true, I would take the girl to the nearest hospital and get them to admit her under the usual 72 hour observation deal. If after that long she can convince them she's not going to hurt herself and I think nailing things to her feet qualifies as hurting herself, then oh well. They will likely be able to offer her more help than you can.

Ummm, you can't graft a tail onto you from some animal without turning off your immune system. The amount of antirejection drugs needed would leave the body defenceless against even relatively minor infections like a cold and cancer would likely run rampant. Now, if you had enough money you could genetically alter a horse to have her human DNA and identifying protiens then it might work.

Now a word from our sponsors... this really has nothing to do with furries. This is a person with issues who wants to be an animal and in pain. People tend to mix these sorts of stories in their memories whenever the subject of furries comes up. Much like Cat, the guy with the tiger tattoos and teeth. He did this to himself long before he found the furry fandom and trust me, we think its extreme too. This isn't what being furry is about. Thank you.

No doctor in the united states would do such a operation... heck, tattoo artists can't even use knockout drugs because it's deemed elective, un-nessisary surgery.

What makes you think anyone outside of a scam artist would offer or preform the grafting on animal parts on to a human?

Your friend needs to be careful man... it sounds like one of those tiwana doctor horror stories where you wake up in a bathtube of ice O.0;;

Too the naysayers of my little tale.....

There's an underground for everything. Everything.

Even for the underground. An underground underground.

Yuk, yuk.

Okay, but seriously, the hoof thing is DISTURBED. Where is she going to do this, since you say it really exists?

People with amputation paraphilias proved that'un. I hope you do talk Pet out of the hooves... having something driven through your foot at all can cause permanent debilitation (I have to assume the person doing the 'driving' would not be an actual surgeon, which increases the likelihood of, say, severing a tendon or something), and leaving the spike in place in order to secure a 'hoof' to one's foot... I'd lay good odds that within a year she'd lose both feet. And I think I'm being optimistic.

The tail thing wigs me out a bit, too... I have to assume that we're not talking about living tissue, since best-case scenario with that would be 'dead, rotting tail-thing hanging there a week later'. Worst-case would involve septicemia and grisly demise. A steel and plastic prosthetic tail... well, heck, that would be doable. Probably not a much more difficult surgical procedure than the folks I've seen with skull-mounted screws for the attachment of horns. I don't want to even think about how much it would hurt to catch that in a door or something... if I catch an earring in something I yelp.

all i can say is OUCH...

Even if she got a tail, she wouldnt be able to move it like a arm or a leg. The human brain might have at once been able to, but even if so humans havent had tails long enough time it was never documented... The Brain wouldnt know what buttons to push.

As for hooves... YOUCH! I am a furry, but I dont want anything nailed into me. My mother had foot surgery once to straighten the toes out and the doctor shattered all the bones in her foot. Hasn't been the same since. He was able to fix it using screws and metel plates... But she didnt even bother to sue him. O.o

You know if furries and goreans teamed up, they could take over the world... you all better watch it!

Some experiments with monkeys (which I personally find rather icky) seem to indicate that the brain can learn how to use new limbs. All you'd have is to put it there and attach some nerves to it, and eventually you'd learn to control it. At least that's the idea I got.



Indeed.

There sure are people out there wishing for some very strange things. IMO, she clearly needs to get dragged to a psychiatrist, FAST. I want to make it clear that my interest in technical aspects doesn't mean I think it's a good idea in the slightest.

My advice:

Do NOT give advice on medical aspects (the how to make it sterile part) and other things you don't understand. One of my friends studies medicine. The books are really big, thick, and scary. The study required is long and hard. Whatever tiny bits of knowledge you could learn on your own are microscopic compared to what an actual doctor must know. You could also be liable for it, and have it weight on your conscience for the rest of your life.

Do NOT encourage her to do anything of that kind (succubi part). The tail thing is weird enough already, but the hoof part is an absolutely horrible idea. I must repeat what I and others have said, nothing good can come out of this, and no sane doctor would do it. Any attempts at this are more than likely in resulting in lifelong pain and suffering for her.



I think I can see what you're saying there, but really, let don't her even try to do that. Extreme pain, gangrene, amputation and death are very likely outcomes. Surely, as a friend you don't want that. I think that as a friend one of the hardest things you might have to do is to go against her wishes for her own good.

BTW, is she legally an adult? If her family is the problem, I agree that getting her away from them sounds like a very good idea.

I gotta say, I agree with Dale. I'm all for crazy body mods (even if my ear piercings are about as far as I'd ever go, at least until we get bioluminescent or subdermal digital tattoos), but there comes a point you have to really take a step back and say "Is this ok?". Just as I'd stop someone drunk or high on drugs from doing something self-destructive, I'd seriously consider her mental state in question and try to stop her from doing this, too, because no good can possibly come of it, the hoof thing in particular.

IMO one of the marks of a true friend is a friend willing to tell you your insane and need help.

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Strange idea really. I mean, I haven't met goreans yet, as I'm fairly new, and hanging around in Luskwood pretty much all day doesn't help, but my impression is that if I did show up in one of their sims I'd get kicked out. I imagine that blue antropomorphic foxes look rather out of place in goreans sims

As a Fur i have to state this... "You all are some crazy people!" Peace im outty

"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."

*gasps* Omg!!!! Its So True???!??!?!?!!??! Rotflmao!!?!?11??!?

I'm only mad when wet
*shakes*

I don't know where the hell this association came from. Goreans hate furries more than most people; and that's saying a lot, judging by the "griefer load" we had to deal with this weekend.

Yes, Pet is an adult.

And I did talk her out of using nails. It's apparently a procedure that is actually tribal and used to be used as a method of punishment for women who were not chaste before they were wed. Indeed, it led to gangrene in most cases.

The difficulty is that she is into the concepts of piercing and even self-mutilation. What i've suggested is that if I can't get her to shake the hoof entirely or make it a simple shoe, to have it attached via piercing instead of straight through the muscle.

There's no way she'd ever see a shrink. She's happy with who and what she is, genuinely. You can't help someone who doesn't want help, because someone who doesn't want help on some level, is where they want to be.

I do help people fix themselves when they need fixing, but IMHO if someone is truly happy there's not much to fix. In the end, we're all just trying to be happy. At this point, I'm trying to bring her closer to myself so I can help her do what she wants, but at the same time get her away from people who don't care what it does to her and closer to someone who is more concerned with her welfare. If that change opens her up to the idea of overall change, I'd help her with it, but I wouldn't dare thrust it upon her. I don't judge anyone for what they do to themselves, only what they do to others.