Are you for or against AV child porn in SL?

Just walking through here, but out of curiosity, do you plan to AR your own post for quoting what offended you?

I think expoiting models who were abused as kids, and not paying them and even bragging that they pay you, is offensive. This by your own admission.

So spare me the offense tiger.

I am sorry you don't understand the difference between accusations and questions. It must make everyday things like watching TV or reading the newspaper quite difficult.

But you are just fine with attacking her, baiting her and calling her names, aren't you?

My "simple common sense" tells me that people like you should NEVER decide who is behaving in a socially-acceptable manner.

I'm feeling dirty just continuing this conversation with you. I'm gone.

My response to the title of this thread is simple:

Have you stopped beating your significant other yet?

What?

Everything I said is substantiated in her posts or yours.

I haven't called her anything, but I will now call her a victim of your exploitation, which you brag about.

I'm sorry if my humor makes you feel dirty.

Sir, please refrain from the current line of attack. I have a business in world selling my art and you have crossed the line into slander.

*grabs popcorn*

Saved you a seat, Mulch!

I think you mean to accuse me of libel, not slander.

But you're mistaken.

See, you bragged about models working for free or paying you.
The most prolific of which says she was abused.

That's not libel, it's assembling information given out by the two of you.

Do you understand the labor laws concerning paying some employees to do the same work that others may do for free?

I hope so.

If you're going to sound formal and professional, it kinda makes the whole effect fall flat when you don't even know what crime is being commited.

Cover your food. It's a ... *cough* ... art flick.

lmfao!

he shoots, he scores

Ambush attack by Reitsuki (obviously a rogue) crits for 1263

what a start to this epic showdown

My bad, libel is more accurate, the forums often feel like a conversation rather than published writing.

You are calling her "damaged" because she says she was abused as a child. So are you calling 1 our of every 4 women "damaged?"

You are accusing me of exploiting women because I am hired by women to create art of them. So all artists that create art using females are now exploiting them?

I realize you are trying to use my humorous quips against me to somehow damage my reputation as if I were being serious in how I said something.

I'm sorry if my opinion that the Lindens make a statement against child avatar sex abuse bothers you but I have a right to my opinion and you to yours. Your personal attacks on me are not justified and you know it. You may get some others who share your opinion that child avatar sex abuse is fine to laugh and egg you on but it doesn't make what you are doing okay.

You've obviously been researching my work and as such know that my representation of women are very respectful and only the most prude among us would consider it anything but artful representations of the adult female form.

You attempting to tarnish my reputation as an artist and SL business by suggesting I treat my models in any way but respectably is unacceptable.

Is this shit still going?

Fuck me.

you lose me here every time

what child is being abused?

are you suggesting avatars must mature and go thru a metaverse puberty before pixel slapping?

who is being abused?

you are lost inbetween reality and somplace else

getting grounded might help you understand the difference between a child and an adult controlling a cartoon

also, to call 2 adults in a consenual act of any kind abuse is ridiculous. it demeans actual abuse where actual children are harmed or actually abused or exploited

ok, rant over, now

regarding your art pictures

are the girls shaved, trimmed, or natural?

Actually that term "child avatar sex abuse" is humorous in its inaccuracy. Obviously the avatar isn't feeling anything. I'm getting too tired to argue this anymore and I'm getting sloppy.

Scratch that and replace "child avatar porn" as the OP describes it.

She has put this forth as a reason for her distaste for SL CARTOONS (as per your profile) avies.

Seems about as reasonable to me as accusing people of harming non-existent, non-represented plaintiffs (the children you're so worried about) of real world crimes. You brag you dont pay them, and add the caveat of being "smooth". When combined with the fact that bella admits not only to having been abused, and still carrying the scars, that it's demonstrative of at least some measure of exploitation. Do you pay her?

Humor? So that will be your out. Glad we can nip that in the bud. I take situations in which the complaintant's hands are no where near clean whilst they accuse others of being criminals VERY seriously. Spare me the humor excuse. You've employed exactly NONE with me. You may have tried to use that excuse on others in this forum, but you aren't fooling me. Try to cover as you may, you'll not fool me.

This is no laughing matter. I am not looking for people to laugh. The fact that you think as such bespeaks of your mindset, not mine.
I looked at both your profiles. that was the extent of my research. In and of themselves, they didn't say much. However, when contrasted with your behavior here, the do speak a little bit louder.

Your business is incidental. However, I have no qualms in pointing out that you refer to avies as cartoons on your profile, yet seem to want to promote them as real people when it suits your needs. Don't flatter yourself. I am not trying to ruin your business, I am simply saying that you are the LAST person who should be talking morals, when you admit to using nude models for free. Especially when one of them admits to having issues due to childhood sexual trauma, from which she obviously hasn't recovered yet.

Look at me with a straight face and tell me that's ok.

Very few artists pay their models, they don't need to if they are good at what they do. Only amateurs pay models for posing for art. Models come to me in many different ways, most of which they want an original work of mine with them as the subject or they want to add a different style to their model portfolio. In the past when doing commercial work, I shot models that other companies paid. I.E. and advertising campaign where a client pays me for my work and she for hers.

Bella never said she had "issues," you all branded her with that after 20 so ageplayers attacked her viciously for voicing her concern about the issue after falling upon it in world and being upset by what she saw. Just like you are attacking me now for voicing my opinion. In her case you were more successful at breaking her down and making her emotional because it was a much more personal pain that she felt because she identified closely with the potential victims that result after someone takes part in this behavior.

Bella is a very smart, articulate and sensitive woman. (And mindnumbingly beautiful to boot!) What you all did to her is shameful and I hope you are all proud that you took her pain and exploited it for your own entertainment value.

It's 2006 and people still can't tell pixels from flesh.
Let's just ban internet.

I still think clubs that explicitly encourage child porn or vendors that deal with child porn should be banned, which I'm sure LL will take care of once you AR them. Just don't let those never ending irrational posts make you think "Hey child porn is not a big deal. Pedos are better than thought police and forum trolls!"

Btw Ranma, I've been reading your post for a while and wondering why you are pretending to be a Japanese. Even if you're an Uchinanchu as you claim to be, you'd know mizu is water and "裸酔う" (in your forum profile) doesn't make sense at all. And no, if you are educated enough you wouldn't call anyone gaijin in internet forums. Actually, using Japanese words and phrases so often where they don't belong is not a very Japanese behaviour after all.

It's just that I know some other people in SL who claim to be Japanese whilst they apparently are not in my eyes, and I'm very curious what psychology is behind such behaviour.

k, nuff derailing.

I resent you considering me an ageplayer. You have never met, or to my knowledge, even seen me in world. My concern is it's a concocted issue, in a concocted world, and RL mores are being applied to it, which leads to a very slippery slope.

This is the blanket "you all are <insert term> to defend an opinion" that best belongs with the ID posters on off-topic, sir.

must... stay... grounded... to... Reality!

there is no "potential victim" of a consentual adult RP

geeze, every time you reference a victim of avatar exploitation you hurt your own case badly

fuck we're supposed to be enjoying the show. Maybe this is like dinner theater?

Oh really?

Is that why Naomi Cambell, Elle Macpherson, Cindy Crawford, et al, are world renowned millionaires, and their photogs are barely heard of?

With the exception of of Liebowitz, Ritts, and the like, most take second billing to their subjects.

I know you are aware that this is the norm.