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Ewan Took
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07-12-2006 15:56
From: Cocoanut Cookie
I think the word "escort" came into generalized use to mean prostitute when they were wanting to get in the phone book, which I think was around the 70's. "Massage parlour" was another cover.

Interestingly, I have a 1934 movie on TV right now, and the woman just said, "He is my favorite escort!" lol.

Personally, I like the term "hooker."

As to the person who said that if you don't have respect for escorts in SL, then perhaps the game isn't for you . . . well, no. Mind control isn't required for entry, and people can play SL for years without setting foot in an escort-type club.

As for how real the business is, I would say that it is probably analogous to phone sex lines irl. (And the money is also just as real.) It's like having phone sex with people for money.

coco



I'm afraid being a rugby fan the term 'hooker' just doesn't work for me :) I also think of William Shatner when someone uses that term too which is most off putting.
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Diamond Naumova
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07-12-2006 15:56
From: Phedre Aquitaine
Except, really, you and the crack dealer are both human, and therefore you are equal, in my eyes.

Frankly, I've known prostitutes. Some of them were real peaches, some of them not so much - but I'd take the company of the nice ones over yours any day. Why?

Because they weren't elitist, pretentious, obnoxious jerks with only a badge and an attitude.



And i bet your one of those same people that bitch, whine, and cry about a speeding ticket, but jump all over the place if something of yours gets stolen begging for help. Only a badge and an attitude? Your damn right and don't forget an oath to protect your ass regardless of your stupidity. I'd say i've dealt with enough of these morons to know damn well what comes from it. Then again what do you do?

I am sure it's equally honorable and extremely helpful to the community. People like you make me sick and are exactly the same reason police officers are gaining the attitude of fuck the people unless something is in it for me. Soon enough everyone is going to realize shitting on the hand that protects you isn't going to be a smart move. When it's gone and/or changed against your favor i am sure you'll wish different.

Anyways this has gotten so far from what i was trying to make a point about that it isn't worth the effort anymore. I have my opinion and you your, which is equally heard. So that is all i can ask for. Whatever good it may do. I will not sit on some damn game forum and listen to an ungrateful civilian begin to judge a profession that is way under appreciated. I've said my piece and i am done.

Just FYI, my entire point was not about just the "whoreing" in SL, but the overall ethics and morality of the person behind it. Also just incase you missed it i never said i or any other police officer was "better" than everyone on the planet. I believe ethically and morally however they are better then a lot of the scum on the planet. I also believe many people outside of law enforcement also are above it. IMO a hot dog vendor on the street is better then a crack dealer or prostitute.

Farewell.
Snark Serpentine
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Join date: 12 Aug 2003
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07-12-2006 15:57
From: Matt Newchurch
And he can only prove to have one of those things.

Unfortunately, it's not much of an attitude. Though I suppose that an aversion to sex and erotica would be well compensated for by a nice shiny badge.
kornation Bommerang
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07-12-2006 16:01
the reason the internet - videos - printing (other stuff bar the bible) and dvds is due to the sex industry

stop being ashamed of one of your natural instincts - sex is natural - enjoy it
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Phedre Aquitaine
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07-12-2006 16:05
From: Diamond Naumova
And i bet your one of those same people that bitch, whine, and cry about a speeding ticket, but jump all over the place if something of yours gets stolen begging for help. Only a badge and an attitude? Your damn right and don't forget an oath to protect your ass regardless of your stupidity. I'd say i've dealt with enough of these morons to know damn well what comes from it. Then again what do you do?


Actually, when the kids down the street yanked the CD player out of my car, I went and dealt with it myself, because I don't involve cops in BS cases.

From: someone
I am sure it's equally honorable and extremely helpful to the community. People like you make me sick and are exactly the same reason police officers are gaining the attitude of fuck the people unless something is in it for me. Soon enough everyone is going to realize shitting on the hand that protects you isn't going to be a smart move. When it's gone and/or changed against your favor i am sure you'll wish different.


People like you aren't "in my favor". You're authoritarian, nosy, and arrogant, thinking you're above the community you police.

From: someone
Anyways this has gotten so far from what i was trying to make a point about that it isn't worth the effort anymore. I have my opinion and you your, which is equally heard. So that is all i can ask for. Whatever good it may do. I will not sit on some damn game forum and listen to an ungrateful civilian begin to judge a profession that is way under appreciated. I've said my piece and i am done.


I'm not ungrateful - to actual, decent cops who don't fancy themselves Ubermensches over the needy unterkind. However, you aren't that sort.

From: someone
Just FYI, my entire point was not about just the "whoreing" in SL, but the overall ethics and morality of the person behind it. Also just incase you missed it i never said i or any other police officer was "better" than everyone on the planet. I believe ethically and morally however they are better then a lot of the scum on the planet. I also believe many people outside of law enforcement also are above it. IMO a hot dog vendor on the street is better then a crack dealer or prostitute.

Farewell.


I don't think that prostitution is inextricably linked to bad ethics or morals, but then, I'm not inflexible; my worldview is that need dictates actions more often than not, and when someone is confronted with theft, prostitution, or homelessness and eviction... well. A prostitute does not break my arm nor pick my pocket by having a consensual contract with someone else. The fact that the contracts are NOT on an equal footing is not so much the fault of prostitution as the fault of the society that dictates it be underground and dangerous.

Addendum, now that I've thought about it: Prostitution, inofitself, is not "anti-feminist" - the framework prostitutes work within /is/, and that colors everything.
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Shiryu Musashi
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07-12-2006 16:07
From: Diamond Naumova

Farewell.


Don't let the door hit your dignified backside ^_^
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Io Zeno
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07-12-2006 16:11
Welp, all I can say is I sure hope Officer Diamond here dosen't stop me for a speeding ticket any time soon.

Especially with that "Baby put it in my pussy!" bumpersticker, I keep forgetting to take that shit off.
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Phedre Aquitaine
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07-12-2006 16:13
From: Io Zeno
Welp, all I can say is I sure hope Officer Diamond here dosen't stop me for a speeding ticket any time soon.

Especially with that "Baby put it in my pussy!" bumpersticker, I keep forgetting to take that shit off.


But if you don't have that bumpersticker, don't you wind up with people trying to stick it up your nose, in power outlets, in watermelons...?
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Ayla Curry
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07-12-2006 16:20
I think that if you don't like the sex in SL then you should stay out of the mature areas and out of other peoples business. Just what the hell are you getting out of making other people feel like trash anyway? If we all went around putting a stop to everything we didn't like then there would be nothing left in this world because everybody has a problem with something.
There are alot of lonely people out there who need companionship, maybe they can't get it in RL because of the way they look or the amount of money they have. They find secondlife and feel less alone because there are people who want to talk to them and be with them.
I have had sex online (free of charge) for the fun of it, and I don't see anything wrong with charging people if you are really good at what you do. The day they start censoring things in secondlife will be the day I quit playing, not because I am a sex addict but because I do not wish to live in TWO different worlds where my sexual freedoms are limited.
With all the risks of rape, STD's and AIDS in the real world, we should be embracing online sex for it's saftey.
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Jellin Pico
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07-12-2006 16:24
From: Diamond Naumova
Ya know what i seriously hope the next time you are in need of someone "better" then the criminal attempting to harm you that there is no one around. It's called morals and are you that thick?


Careful here, your morals are showing their true colors!

From: someone

It's also called an opinion which i've stated several times is my own. Consistently acting like my word is the word of god makes you look stupid. It's my opinion get over it. Don't like it tuff.


Actually it's the other way around, I do know it's your opinion, and your opinion makes you look stupid


From: someone

If you truely think everyone is completely equal you have an issue. You try and place me in the same bracket as a crack dealer and all your doing is showing how ignorant you really are.


And by placing yourself on a pedestal show what about you?


From: someone

Purrdence: Yes you are entirely correct, if someone goes into a clearly marked location for this purely for the aspect of harassing others it should be stopped, but in the same breath don't expect much respect from someone else that knows your in that business outside of the business. It's a Win/Lose situation. In your place of business you can demand all the respect you want and should recieve it, but right outside the door your fair game.

That's true in the real world as much as it is here. IRL you go into a strip club and yell whore/slut or whatever else i am sure you'll get bounced you go outside and as they leave call them that in the open street i highly doubt many people would do anything about it.


So strippers and hookers get what they deserve huh?

Sick bastard.
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Jellin Pico
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07-12-2006 16:27
From: Diamond Naumova
People like you make me sick and are exactly the same reason police officers are gaining the attitude of fuck the people unless something is in it for me. Soon enough everyone is going to realize shitting on the hand that protects you isn't going to be a smart move. When it's gone and/or changed against your favor i am sure you'll wish different.




Will that be the day fascist assholes take over the country and put things 'right'?
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Jellin Pico
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07-12-2006 16:30
From: Diamond Naumova

Farewell.



Bubye now. Have a nice day beating up hookers.
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Jellin, you are soooooo FIC! Fabulous, Intelligent and Cute
Marissa Curtis
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07-12-2006 16:32
Diamond Naumova ,
I take it since you feel that you are in a class of people higher than some, then as a cop, you might not feel the need to excersize your "duty" and protect or serve a person whom you feel is below you in status. Is this correct?
You're a disgrace to your uniform, mister! qualifier: (if that's your attitude)
Some of the people you look down your nose at are taxpaying civilians. Which means, they contribute to your salary. You are a civil servant, boy! Kneel, dammit! Just kidding :P
Marissa Curtis
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07-12-2006 16:32
oh...hi Cindy :P
Io Zeno
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07-12-2006 16:33
From: Phedre Aquitaine
But if you don't have that bumpersticker, don't you wind up with people trying to stick it up your nose, in power outlets, in watermelons...?


Well, I thought it was instructive but Officer Diamond says it's immoral, so, no go. :(
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Purrdence Takakura
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07-12-2006 16:42
i *heart* you guys! :D
Arsenic Soyinka
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07-12-2006 17:38
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when you hang out in a herd where wolves are lurking

it doesnt matter how many times you cry wolf

there will come a time when youre attacked by one ...

if you cant deal with that kind of attention,

then why be there in the first place


so on which do you place the greater emphasis ...
on their lack of manners, or on your sensitivity?




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Shiryu Musashi
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07-12-2006 18:10
From: Arsenic Soyinka
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when you hang out in a herd where wolves are lurking

it doesnt matter how many times you cry wolf

there will come a time when youre attacked by one ...



This kind of sounds like the arguments of the ones that try to excuse Zidane's headbutting another player in the world cup final because that player provoked him.
Of course that's kind of a silly argument.
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Rakkasa Lewellen
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07-12-2006 18:23
Wow - just.....wow

This one turned out interesting.

Btw: I was in law enforcement and got out (read ran) after 10 years because I couldn't take people like Diamond anymore.

25% of the people in LE are trying to help people/make the world a better place.
75% are people with deep psychological issues that shouldn't have authorita anymore than Eric Cartman.

In addition - police work doesn't even enter the top ten in terms of most dangerous jobs - the top five are:

1. Logging workers
2. Aircraft pilots
3. Fishers and fishing workers
4. Structural iron-workers
5. Garbage collectors

The people we should really appreciate putting their asses on the line for us are the people that supply us with wood, fly us around, get us fish, build high-rises and pick up our garbage.

It's hard for me to appreciate some whinny judgemental holier than thou prick that thinks being a cop means you're automatically in a position to judge the morality of others.

To the person that keeps trying to convert us to Christianity - your fundamental underlying assumption is that the bible is correct. It's not - I know you don't believe that, but it was written by people with a human agenda and then edited by an institution with a
political/financial agenda. It has always been in the best interests of the elites for us to believe in hell, but that doesn't mean we should.

To the person(s) that have a problem with the sexual aspect of SL - set up another premium account for me, invest significant resourses in the avatar, pay for it monthly and then I promise you I will play SL exactly the way you think I should.

In terms of Escort and Whore - words change meaning over time - has happened since we started grunting three times to indicate we were hungry - if you call yourself an Escort, (in the US at least) people are going to percieve that you accept money for sex.

To the OP - you're right, guys expect too much from dancers - in rl and sl - get used to it though - some people are asses regardless of whether you're a stripper or a customer service rep for the phone company. They tend to be bigger asses in strip clubs - part of the deal and the reason most strip clubs have multiple huge bouncers.

Anyway - loving the game and this definately wins the thread of the day award ;-)
Marla Truss
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07-12-2006 18:39
From: Warda Kawabata
Then I guess you just ain't doing it right, hun.


<giggle> Well, I'll try harder.
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Jonas Pierterson
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07-12-2006 18:52
From: Sally Rosebud
You do realize that calling a stripper a whore or a slut at anytime doesn't make you any better than than the people who you claim you are better than.

Yes, everybody is equal, some are more unfortunate, or make worse choices in their lives, but perhaps all they've ever been called is something derogatory, and don't have the self esteem to better their lives. I really hope you are not a police officer in my area. Thinking you are better than everyone is a huge liability for you, even if you don't realize it. I know several cops, firefighters, EMT's/Paramedics, and NONE of them think they are any better than the people they serve.


I never called a stripper a whore. I called someone who takes money for sex a whore.
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Arsenic Soyinka
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07-12-2006 19:01
From: Shiryu Musashi
This kind of sounds like the arguments ... blah blah blah ...



yes it does ~sound~ like it is ... but it isnt ...

however when you take my statement out of context, and add your own meanings to it,
then it does *distort the intentions and meanings of my comment* ...

(because even in your own words you mention in that situation, "PROVOKED" ...

there is a big difference to my statement and question as it stands ...
compared to your analysis of it, inspite of what i wrote ...
whether you wish to ackowldege it or not

when you mis-use and mis-represent anothers' words,
you violate the intellectual standards by which people exchange
ideas and information ...

and of course, that is a silly and shabby tactic on your part




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Jonas Pierterson
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07-12-2006 19:06
From: Chris Ellsworth
So do you go around calling females in the game that have sex for money prostitutes then? I have never seen anyone use that term in game.


You've never seen me then, because yes, I do.
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Marla Truss
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07-12-2006 19:07
From: Jonas Pierterson
I never called a stripper a whore. I called someone who takes money for sex a whore.


The question is, why do you use the word 'whore'? Is it to communicate or to do harm by demeaning other people in order to build up your ego? Using language to cause harm is just as evil as using other more violent methods, and hiding behind a dictionary to excuse the behavior is just sleazy.
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Jonas Pierterson
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07-12-2006 19:20
From: Marla Truss
The question is, why do you use the word 'whore'? Is it to communicate or to do harm by demeaning other people in order to build up your ego? Using language to cause harm is just as evil as using other more violent methods, and hiding behind a dictionary to excuse the behavior is just sleazy.


One can actually use whore as a positive, like slut. It all depends on the context. A dominant may call his submissive 'his sweet slut,' and it means one awakened to physical desires. Context and intent frame whether its an insult or not. Getting paid for sex is neither good nor bad oin its own - but it does make one a prostitute or whore.
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