To all that visit Adult Clubs in SL...
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Lupus Delacroix
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07-12-2006 12:40
From: Nimil Blackflag i have one to add to that.
if you go to an adult club and you see someone dancing. don't just assume they're a dancer in the club. i am so sick of being asked if i'm going to strip 8E I know what I'm doing when I see you tonight 
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Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
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07-12-2006 12:41
From: Matt Newchurch Never in the history of the world has an 'escort' slept with her client? Come on...show of hands, SL Escorts: How many of you refuse to sleep with your clients as a matter of principle? There's a semantic difference (First they came for the hackers, but I was not a hacker so I said nothing...), but...let's not kid ourselves here. Do a search for 'escort' in the game and don't have it show mature content, then do it again WITH mature content. Who is the bigger business? You take money for sex you stop being an escort and become a prostitute.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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07-12-2006 12:48
From: Cindy Claveau In fact, there is a clear difference between a $5 streetwalker and a $1000 call girl in RL. No, no there isn't.
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ArchTx Edo
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07-12-2006 12:49
From: Dr Tardis When, exactly, did our language get so distorted that "Escort" means "whore"?
If you want sex, you need a whore. If you want to go to a party with someone on your arm, then you need an escort. When, exactly, did our values get so distorted that having sex makes one a whore?
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Jonas Pierterson
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07-12-2006 12:50
From: ArchTx Edo When, exactly, did our values get so distorted that having sex makes one a whore? Having sex doesn't. Doing it for money does.
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Good freebies here and here I must protest. I am not a merry man! - Warf, ST: TNG, episode: Qpid You killed my father. Prepare to die. - Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride You killed My father. Your a-- is mine! - Hellboy
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Reitsuki Kojima
Witchhunter
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07-12-2006 12:51
From: ArchTx Edo When, exactly, did our values get so distorted that having sex makes one a whore? About the same time that our values became so distorted that we called a person who works metal on a forge for a living a blacksmith.
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Matt Newchurch
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07-12-2006 12:53
From: Jonas Pierterson You take money for sex you stop being an escort and become a prostitute. Yes, Mirriam AND Webster AND me would agree with you. But on a pragmatic, 'what really goes on', here in the REAL virtual world....what are the vast, probably overwhelming majority of escorts REALLY up to?
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Cindy Claveau
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07-12-2006 12:53
From: Jonas Pierterson Don't care if it does, because I see whores as crude, so give their opinion little merit. There is no difference betwwen 5 and 1000 USD, if you take money for sex you are a whore and a prostitute.
There is a big difference between real-life prostitution and SL prostitution, in case you haven't noticed. Most RL prostitutes do it because they are unskilled, uneducated or unwilling to scrub floors at McDonald's and can't think of any other way to make their way. Some do it because their pimps will beat them or kill them if they try to leave. That's a far cry from the SL version, where escorting is more akin to selling erotic fiction -- you're typing into interactive fantasies while your avatar animates on a poseball. You may be exploring fantasies in a risk-free environment but you always have the choice to quit or leave. If writing erotic fiction is "whoring", you need to let Anne Rice know.
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Phedre Aquitaine
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07-12-2006 12:59
...Why would we let Anne Rice know? 
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Diamond Naumova
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07-12-2006 13:10
Here's a few more tips 1.) If you find yourself in an erotic club in SL just to watch naked pixels, seek professional help. 2.) If you decide to ignore the above and still have some weird need for naked women, get a girl in RL.. it's much better FYI. 3.) If all else fails please don't support some skinny white boy pretending to be a girl to turn you on and take your money. Just make a second account and strip for yourself lol. That is all. Sorry it had to be said  Mostly just sick of 80% of the events/top things to do in SL being some dumb club or sex factory. This is a game not amsterdam come'on people start making something fun to do i know dang well the creativity is here. Just too many people make money off cyber pixel sex, but really think about it that's very very sad. PS: Sorry for the hi-jack, but thank the lindens for the extra downtime and this is not meant as an attack to the OP, just my views and hopefully helpful tips to those thinking about checking it out. 
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Chris Ellsworth
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07-12-2006 13:11
In SL I think the "wording" of said professions is different than in RL. An escort in rl is someone you higher to spend a evening with you as eye candy. Where as a prostitute is someone who you higher to have sex with them. In SL a Dancer is the person you "higher" to spend a evening with you and a Escort is the person you higher for sex. Actually a Dancer is someone you "can" pay to spend time with you, not a whole evening necessarily. But you get what I mean. Plus, why are we all arguing this point anyway. It's not real!!! lol.
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Bastet Pixie
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07-12-2006 13:11
From: Purrdence Takakura 1. Don't get shitty with us employees when we refuse to give you freebies. Also, calling someone a 'dirty f***ng slut' for refusing you will put you on the fast track to being banned from that club.
2. Accept that some in some clubs exotic dancers are just that, dancers. If you want sex you need an escort. See abovementioned point as well.
3. If there is a club rule where the dancers will not take off their tops for less than a certain amount, or can't do full frontal nudity in the public areas, don't hassle the employees to break the rule.
4. On the same point, if there's a rule against full frontal nudity in the club by customers, or there are employee only areas - follow the rules. Please don't chuck a sad when when we tell you off for ignoring the rules.
In a nutshell, yeah, so our AV's are involved in the SL adult industry. It's a fun way to make Lindens, and even some RL bucks. Please treat us with respect and you'll get it back. Thank You
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Lillani Lowell
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07-12-2006 13:12
Everyone is using their own "personal" definitions of escort. An escort, according to the dictionary, is defined as someone (or something) who guides, accompanies, leads, OR (not and) protects someone. Sexual or non-sexual is irrelevant, and is neither distinguished nor discriminated against. A prostitute can define her/himself as an escort because he/she is guiding, accompanying or leading someone into a sexual encounter. Therefore, he/she is escorting.
Personal twists are not needed. You may as well argue that the glass is half empty instead of half full for all the good it will achieve.
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Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
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07-12-2006 13:13
From: Cindy Claveau There is a big difference between real-life prostitution and SL prostitution, in case you haven't noticed. Most RL prostitutes do it because they are unskilled, uneducated or unwilling to scrub floors at McDonald's and can't think of any other way to make their way. Some do it because their pimps will beat them or kill them if they try to leave. That's a far cry from the SL version, where escorting is more akin to selling erotic fiction -- you're typing into interactive fantasies while your avatar animates on a poseball. You may be exploring fantasies in a risk-free environment but you always have the choice to quit or leave. If writing erotic fiction is "whoring", you need to let Anne Rice know. If someone roleplays a prostitute, then I call them a prostitute. Its all a rpg after all. If they don't want to be called whores they can quit virtually whoring themselves.
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Good freebies here and here I must protest. I am not a merry man! - Warf, ST: TNG, episode: Qpid You killed my father. Prepare to die. - Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride You killed My father. Your a-- is mine! - Hellboy
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Jonas Pierterson
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07-12-2006 13:14
From: Chris Ellsworth In SL I think the "wording" of said professions is different than in RL. An escort in rl is someone you higher to spend a evening with you as eye candy. Where as a prostitute is someone who you higher to have sex with them. In SL a Dancer is the person you "higher" to spend a evening with you and a Escort is the person you higher for sex. Actually a Dancer is someone you "can" pay to spend time with you, not a whole evening necessarily. But you get what I mean. Plus, why are we all arguing this point anyway. It's not real!!! lol. No, an escort I would hire for company. A prostitute I would hire for sex.
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Good freebies here and here I must protest. I am not a merry man! - Warf, ST: TNG, episode: Qpid You killed my father. Prepare to die. - Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride You killed My father. Your a-- is mine! - Hellboy
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Cindy Claveau
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07-12-2006 13:14
From: Phedre Aquitaine ...Why would we let Anne Rice know? The Taming of Sleeping Beauty, writing as A.N. Roquelaure.
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Phedre Aquitaine
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07-12-2006 13:16
From: Cindy Claveau The Taming of Sleeping Beauty, writing as A.N. Roquelaure. Point. Of course, I now require a time machine. Nothing I've read written by her in the past, ah, decade, has been particularly arousing. I must confess I haven't read her book about Jesus yet, but my hopes aren't that high. 
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Purrdence Takakura
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07-12-2006 13:17
From: Diamond Naumova Just too many people make money off cyber pixel sex, but really think about it that's very very sad.
What you call sad, I call spending money on my next holiday. *winks* If someone is going to give me money for doing something I find fun, I'm not stopping them!
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Jonas Pierterson
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07-12-2006 13:18
From: Phedre Aquitaine Point. Of course, I now require a time machine. Nothing I've read written by her in the past, ah, decade, has been particularly arousing. I must confess I haven't read her book about Jesus yet, but my hopes aren't that high.  Her beauty books are good. I like Laurrel K Hamilton (spelling?) more though. But then erotic fiction and roleplay are 2 different things.
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Good freebies here and here I must protest. I am not a merry man! - Warf, ST: TNG, episode: Qpid You killed my father. Prepare to die. - Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride You killed My father. Your a-- is mine! - Hellboy
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Purrdence Takakura
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07-12-2006 13:19
And I know this won't stop the 'meaning of escort' arguement, but I am using 'escort' as in the way it seems to be used by LL and related info. Take it to them.
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Cindy Claveau
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07-12-2006 13:21
From: Jonas Pierterson If someone roleplays a prostitute, then I call them a prostitute. Its all a rpg after all. If they don't want to be called whores they can quit virtually whoring themselves. So we can't be raped in SL but we can be whores? Gotcha.
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Jonas Pierterson
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07-12-2006 13:23
From: Purrdence Takakura And I know this won't stop the 'meaning of escort' arguement, but I am using 'escort' as in the way it seems to be used by LL and related info. Take it to them. And I'm using it the way its actually defined. Take it up with Encyclopedia Britannica. You get paid for sex, you'r a prostitute, period.
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Good freebies here and here I must protest. I am not a merry man! - Warf, ST: TNG, episode: Qpid You killed my father. Prepare to die. - Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride You killed My father. Your a-- is mine! - Hellboy
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Jonas Pierterson
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07-12-2006 13:24
From: Cindy Claveau So we can't be raped in SL but we can be whores? Gotcha. theres always the option to log or tp away you CANT be raped in SL you may feel violated, but you can't be raped in game
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Good freebies here and here I must protest. I am not a merry man! - Warf, ST: TNG, episode: Qpid You killed my father. Prepare to die. - Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride You killed My father. Your a-- is mine! - Hellboy
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Diamond Naumova
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07-12-2006 13:24
That's the problem, people like you that have no self worth if they can make a buck they will do it. I seriously wish companies would post or be forced to make avalible customers personal information in regards to real name and address. I guarantee if i ever found an employee to be "selling themselves" online i wouldn't hesitate to question thier ethics and fire them.
The ability to hide behind an avatar allows too many people to do things they would not normally do. It was fine when it was slaying dragons in an RP sense but when real money comes into play and potentially harmful psychological atmospheres arise it should be stopped.
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Ceera Murakami
Texture Artist / Builder
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07-12-2006 13:37
Hmmmm.
Employee A is spending their free time playing Grand Theft Auto, running down pedestrians with cars, killing innocent bystanders, and performing other gratuitous acts of mayhem.
Employee B is playing SL, writing erotic fiction and watching avatars pixel-slapping. They make a few extra bucks a week making other people happy.
Well! I know which one I'd be worried about...
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