Lets try to work out a solution for the Security Scripts Issue

Fair enough. As I said state your intentions. But there is no need to repeat them over and over making another feel badly.

I do wish thread moderation by initial poster was available.

Jonas I am somewhat heartned to see you are capable of at least some small amount of compromise 500M aye well let me ask you something -have you ever ever been to 500M and loooked around there is truly not much to see. Now if we the pilots of SL were using the skys over your and or any land simply for transport to get from oh say SiKKima to Amella I would agree and say you were right and that just like homes in the flight paths of commercial airlines you had a right to be concerned. Thing s we're not p2p does that nicely. We are not the Sl equiv of commercial flight we are private pilots just trying to enjoy the Sl scenery. None of us want to violate your privacy none of Heli pilots want to bring our birds to window level even if it is a skybox and hover watching you and whomever do the nasty. All wewant is to enjoy the Sl landscape at a altitude the allows us to do so ie under the cloud level or say 100 to 300m we dont ask mutch and we respect your rights and we are nor griefers all I ask is that some kind of reasonable compromise that allows everyone to enjoy what they want be reached Is that really to much to ask?

COpper I am trying but unfortunately I can't be on 24/7 RL and need for sleep are 2 annoyances to my attempt. TY though.

Greetings All;
I am very happy to report, that even among the Good, Bad and Ugly of this thread. there are those that are understanding, kind and considerate of other needs and desires. Last night I had a charter. We were flying at 200 meters. When all te sudden we hit one of those unseen (You have been ejected) messages. As per my normal routine I sent that person a "Netural" message thanking them for the exciting sudden end to our flight. In this case the owner was online and replied right away. He apoligized to both my clients and myself. Took down the barrier which he had forgotten to remove. He even offered to pay me for the loss of the charter if needed.
Bottom line is....there are some nice people out there. And to that one person...Thank You. lets stop the bickering folks, find a solution and enjoy Second Life.

We don't own nothing. And saying you do don't make it so. Then again, even in RL no one owns anything except by mutual social agreement because we've just found it less messy than simply shooting people who happen to cross "your" land.

This is just my best attempt at coming up with a compromise from the posts thus far. As with the first one lets descuss, define and refine from here.

1. The property ban lines need to extend up from actual ground level not from absolute. 40-50m seems to be a fair balance in altitude for these lines as it would cover a majority of builds and not overly hamper unaided flight. (As an aside to this does anyone know if the right click and sit on something within the ban lines way of getting around them still works? I don't really have a way to test this ATM.) At this level the property owners security choices should be absolute. There are many forms of griefing that cannot be prevented with warning systems. Flyers are not the only issue.

2. 50-300m seems to be the average flight zone. Within this Zone Long range warnings should be issued 30 second warnings being a good benchmark. Posting signs at the boundaries would also be a good idea.

3. 300-768m shorter warnings on security are acceptable 10-20 seconds BUT security should not extend more than 25m in all directions from a construct in this zone.

4. 768 m and up (which is outside build range) no security

Please lets keep the discussion going we are making progress here.

Quick question, what is to keep these scripts from extending into other peoples land or public land? The security scrip landowner near me scripts extends into public land.

What gives them that right?

The land tools only work on land owned by the same entity as owns the script.

There is even a useful LSL library call to easily identify if an object of avatar is with the script's realm of influence.

In short, whomever that is should have no influence over the protected land. If you're being shoved while over protected land or while on your own, then it's very AR-able. AR them. AR them a lot.

Exactly that sort of encroachment is already against the rules. AR anyone whos security does not end at the boarder of their land.

Their only right is to what linden allows them to - the famous 40 meters.

Darkness, the individuals posts seem like attacks to me. In another thread they did the same thing. Like anything I think is wrong, that landowners don't have rights to block within their buildspace.

As I have said last post, lets set the limit to 500 meters..thats high enough. Have a free fly zone from there upwards.

Edit: Marker - Linden has allowed them to 768 meters because security scrips are set to your land parameters. Lindens have set the mark famously to 768 meters, not 40.

The lindens allow (((768+30)+90) - llGround), sorry.

You may wish otherwise, but at the moment, that is not the case.

Jonas I think perhaps we are not understanding each other

I am not saying you cannot build whatever you want all the way up to 768. This thread is not about the right to build. It is about the responsible use of security. I don't think a 30 second warning on security from 50-300 and a 25m from build edge in all directions limit+ shorter warning from 300-768 on security is that great a hardship.

Build a huge box covering your entire land all the way up to 768 if you have the prims and want to do it. Right to build was never an issue in this thread.

Considering a recent expereince (last ngiht) I had setting up a script for a friend. Im resolved never to use one. I'd rather be creative in contorlling the airspace in my build area, and Ill use the prims rather than spend 3 hours setting up a worst mother ****** from hell. No, I won't say which script.

Reitsuki can you help to establish this firmly and end debate on it by providing a link to where it is stated?

I am not doubting you just trying to head off any unproductive argument on it.

I know the 'ceiling' of our builds is where we are considered safe.. and its at 769 they start to delete objects in airspace. It looks like a firm line of what is and what isn't free aispace.

Don't need to provide a statement. That's the whole point.

One can build up to (((768+30)+90) - llGround). This is fact.

The security tools work up to (((768+30)+90) - llGround). This is fact.

The lindens have not stated that there is a height regulation on where the tools can be used. This is fact.

De facto, it is allowed up to (((768+30)+90) - llGround), beyond which the point is moot as nothing can be built.

Until LL deigns to state otherwise, this is the law as it stands.

They can do this at any time they wish. Thus far, they never have. Ergo, it stands as fact.

All the idealism and desire in the world doesn't change facts.

My point is having never even tried to build that high. Where are these facts coming from. Is it an in built game limit proved by your own experimentation? Is it stated in a wikki somewhere? Can it be deduced from scripting limitations? I am not trying to be idealistic just trying to wrap my rather mathmatical proof style of thinking to the situation.

specifically where are the equations coming from

Ohhhhhh

Ok

Rez a cube. SIt on cube. Enter any random number higher than 768... 4321, for example.

Result: You cap at 768.

Now, you can push stuff higher, but try leaving it there for a while. It will eventually get returned to you or deleted (I can't remember which)

The +30 refers to link distance... You could link something to an object at 768, up to 30 meters higher.

+90 is the maximum radius of a scanner (As I recall...), so if you put a scanner in a prim linked to a prim at 768, you could get (basicly) 768+30+90.

- llGround is kinda misleading. It refers to the maximum absolute hight of the physical build, not really relative height of scanning radius. So discount that.

I thank you very much. Makes a whole lot more sense now.

Would it be fair to say that without jumping through some build and script hoops 768-800 is a fairly hard ceiling for a build?

Effectivly, somewhere in that general area, yes.

Using your figures that put the danger zone up to 888 meters above base level. That is about 820 meters above ground level where my property is located. I would have to cruise at 830 meters (900 meters indicated) to ensure safe flight. How wide is a sim again? If 200, you have to be up 4 sims to ensure safe flight? Also won't the system delete our vehicles? If this is true there is no safe flight altitude.

So to travel 500 meters, you have to fly straight up to 900 meters then fly the 500 meters then straight down 900 meters to ensure safety? Oh joys! That is if you vehicle dosnt get deleted by the system.

TY I will work this ceiling in to the next version of the proposed rules. Most helpful information to know.

256, actually. And no, it won't, as long as you are actually in them.