Wowzers! Electric Sheep's "The Happening" gets top Slashdot billing!

That's essentially what I got out of his last post too - humility is key. I can totally understand that. I don't dig self-important people either, and honestly that's another reason why I like working in SL - in the experiences I've had in the RL workforce and in SL, I've met a lot more self-important jerkfaces in RL companies that I've worked for.

And unfortunately, there's always going to be some people that have talent and drive but also have an attitude about it. I try very hard not to be one of those people, and I'm sure I don't succeed all the time, but that's part of being a human being - you just keep trying your best.



First, let me apologize if my statements came across as implying yours were driven by jealousy, veiled or not. It wasn't my intent in the slightest If anything, it was more trying to figure out exactly why these issues come up again and again, and if Eboni's interpretation of your statements is correct, then I agree with you as well, to a certain extent.

I guess I'm coming at this from an angle wherein I've worked for some REALLY self-important and pretty damn corrupt people in RL. I can totally relate to the feeling of wanting to scream "GET OVER YOURSELF FOR GOD'S SAKE! THIS COMPANY ISN'T GOING TO SAVE THE WORLD! WE MAKE WIDGETS! AND QUIT BONKING YOUR SECRETARY ON MY DESK AFTER HOURS!" So in comparison, any instances I see of self-importance in SL seem like small potatoes.

Maybe its the fact that there's a fine line to balance between self-promotion and humility? Especially when people in SL know exactly who is behind each company. In RL, how many people can name off who all the CEOs of General Electric are, much less have the opportunity to run into them on a daily basis? The size and scope of the RL business world lend a certain veil of protection against having your business be a reflection of you personally, and that's something SL hasn't reached yet. Just tossing out some thoughts...

1. You're confusing views such as my own, which are not individually aimed but aimed at more of a group-think or group-influence agenda and the putting down of individual achievements, something which I have no wish to do.

1. No I'm not, I was speaking generally of what I have seen in this thread and in other threads to a lesser extent from multiple people -- not you in particular. Its probably my fault for addressing multiple issues from multiple persons in my response.

Heh, its funny, because when I started, your vendor was known as THE vendor to use in SL, and still one of the most popular ones! Your skates are in my top 10 of SL items I couldn't live without! The simple pleasures in SL are often the best.

Regards,

-Flip

1. No I'm not, I was speaking generally of what I have seen in this thread and in other threads to a lesser extent from multiple people -- not you in particular. Its probably my fault for addressing multiple issues from multiple persons in my response.

2. Jealousy is part of human nature. Not always a pleasant part, but a part none the less and one which we all possess whether we admit it or not. I was never implying that you were jealous in anyway. I made the ::coughjealouscough" statement in response to something Enabran was responding to in order to make a point. People don't like to be told when they are acting jealous. I know I certainly don't, but like I said, its part of what makes us human. Besides which, even if I see someones behavoir as smacking of jealousness it does not make it a fact - it makes it my opinion right or wrong is purely subjective.

this thread is off topic and belongs in Advertizing or Special Attractions. For a resmod to use the forums for his own personal gain is wrong IMO.

That's all I have to say on the subject.

Cat

You two are going to make me dizzy.

I really know where you're coming from about how self-important some people get in real life and, I guess here, it does hark back to what Eboni was saying to a certain extent about the depth of the achievements in SL and, to some, that making the self-importance seem quite ridiculous. Maybe a part of me doesn't want the self-important people to run amok in SL? And yet recently, I'm getting concerned that that's what might happen. Some of the language I'm seeing, the plans being laid, the joining of minds...

Eboni's interpretations, although more caustic than I'm feeling at the moment, are pretty accurate. Flipper, either wittingly or unwittingly, put it into a phrase that really touched what I'm thinking, reading and seeing.

And your last paragraph is, yet again, spot on. It's a very acute observation, and a very valid one. That's why I said earlier that I hope we have a big influx of new residents so some of it can be diluted. I wish those using SL for RL income all the luck in the world, and people like you Cory, and Kim Anubis, get on and do these world-changing things (both in terms of experience and in terms of using the platform as a reality) without trying to do anything other than what you know you do best. And I think that's fantastic.

But, and this is a distinction I truly believe in, creating a few fun or useful things in no way compares to how the companies I highlighted earlier are pushing the SL platform as a real world, viable business. That's a whole level of dedication more than I've made.

I feel similarly. I do plenty of stuff that is very satisfying and personally lucrative, but in no way do I feel as though I'm pushing SL forward except as part of the larger collective effort for which we are all responsible. There are pioneers who carry a whole lot more of the work, especially in getting all of SL noticed and these guys (and gals!) get a lot of respect from me.

With that said, while I think that this is a great time to get in on the ground floor of the next big thing, it's not the only chance. Anyone who is plying even the simplest of trade in SL is collecting experience that is going to be very valuable to companies exploring this space, sooner or later. As new evolutions of the technology roll out, new opportunities will emerge. Flip is right -- a point of critical mass is approaching. Anyone who is poised to take advantage of that point or shape it themselves is in a very unique and positive situation. But the door isn't going to close forever after that.

You're wrong about that Moopf. There are certain individuals and groups that you can look to in SL and say that they changed the paradigm, sometimes just in small ways, but still brought about change.

Bedazzle brought a level of quality to their projects that had never before been seen in SL on that level. Chinatown especially made a lot of people realize the possibilities of what could be done in SL. It still remains one of the most memorable places I have seen in SL, and the innovative weather and reflection effects were phenomenal.

Tiny Seadog, while relatively new, has been a vehicle for the unbelievable talents of Cory Edo and Maiko Stygian, and has already done something very unique with the BBC broadcast they were involved in. Cory's style especially is incredibly her own, and has raised the bar signficiantly in terms of visual appeal and realism.

Electric Sheep I am unfamiliar with, but it sounds like their upcoming event is quite revolutionary (and got the press to go with it). The list of people who have caused mini-revolutions in their own sphere of SL goes on and on.

You have actually been a part of that. From your silly-named Vendopf vending machines to your distributed gumball machines (still one of my favorite things in SL) and your skates, your work has been incredible and memorable. In your own little part of SL, your work has mattered to a lot of people, if for no other reason than to entertain them. (I have spent more time just rolling around in your damn skates than I care to admit publicly).

In Second Life we are blest with a wealth of unbelievably talented people. Yeah some are primadonnas (yes you Barnes), many are under-appreciated (Toast Bard is my hero), and so many people add to this world that I don't think any self-appointed cabal is going to have the market cornered on the metaverse. People will move in and out of the spotlight, but there is no opportunity to dominate - the competition is just way too strong, and there is always someone more innovative, better funded, and more driven right around the corner.

With that said, while I think that this is a great time to get in on the ground floor of the next big thing, it's not the only chance. Anyone who is plying even the simplest of trade in SL is collecting experience that is going to be very valuable to companies exploring this space, sooner or later. As new evolutions of the technology roll out, new opportunities will emerge. Flip is right -- a point of critical mass is approaching. Anyone who is poised to take advantage of that point or shape it themselves is in a very unique and positive situation. But the door isn't going to close forever after that.

Sorry, I have to disagree, it is not off topic. This is coverage of Second Life. It is not an announcement about the event, it is press coverage of something happening in SL. I am all for posts being in the right place and loathe General being used for classifieds, but in this case, it does belong here.

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Alright fine, I will grant you it should probably be in Notices and Well Wishes. Bad Flipper!

many are under-appreciated (Toast Bard is my hero)

She teases puppies and small children.

HA! I think its been a long accepted practice that articles about SL are put in General.

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There are some on there posted by Cristiano - bad Cris!

Regards,

-Flip

And before anyone gets their knickers in a twist I work at a private arts college so you need not worry about corporate america encroaching on your territory.

Hello... nemesis. Have you been bidding on our keywords?

/me stares menacingly

I echo your sentiments about interview fascination with SL. During my job search last year it came up a lot and everyone spent a lot of time talking about it.

HA! I think its been a long accepted practice that articles about SL are put in General.

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There are some on there posted by Cristiano - bad Cris!

Regards,

-Flip